Do you guys agree with the analysis of Street Fighter battles in “ScrewAttack - Death Battle”?
Specially the “Ken Masters Vs. Terry Bogard” and “Ryu Vs. Jin Kazama”?
And who do you guys think would win a fight: Kyo Kusanagi or Ryu?
I feel like Ryu would have the upper hand on Kazama. I’m no crazy Tekken analyzer but Ryu has a lot of feats if we include some of the other media. I’ll stray from comics, as they’re a completely different timeline from the games. Screw Attack, however… Has a tough time analyzing both series’. They cover the basics, but I don’t necessarily agree with it because that’s all it is. The basics. Though it was nice to see them touch upon the SF mangas.
I’m gonna use the mangas as a reference since I got my hands on all 4 volumes of Nakahira’s main line of SF manga, although they’re technically non-canon, I’m including them because SF drew A LOT of inspiration from them. To start off, SnH is a force to be reckoned with, one raging demon can easily mean the death of anything it touches so long as it has a soul (that can’t harness MnK). Ryu also has MnK, which gives him the ability to react without being blinded by thought, relying more on the instinct of a martial artist. Detaching from human emotion (anger, stress, etc.) to focus on nothing but the fight. I feel like that gives Ryu the upper hand.
If we wanna talk feats, at the end of Ryu Final, he’s on par with Akuma. That needs no explanation (I’m not getting into Tekken 7 cause that is something that I’m still trying to wrap my head around, I’m gonna draw my knowledge for Akuma from the SF lore).
Ryu vs Kyo is a tough one, they’re the “big rivals” of the CvS realm. What baffles me, is that Kyo doesn’t really need all that much training to be on par with Ryu. The man doesn’t train much while Ryu works his ass off day and night.
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Did’nt watched It
From what i remember theyr video are nice but don’t consider much that each world have it’s own “rules” so take feats does’nt make much sense
Btw
Ryu > Jin
Terry > Ken
Ryu > Kyo
Again, different universe… While at it Chun Li have more muscles mass than Kyo and a good % of KoF male cast lol, in KoF they’re badasses in SF one they will be pussies
Or in TK be able to do a ki based attack (fireball) should be considered something much greater than do the same in SF/KoF where it’s waaay more common
Each world create a fantasy rules set for what Is “strong” wich make essentially wrong compare feats from different worlds
Closest universe are probably Capcom and early SNK (FF, AoF)
There you can basically do direct comparision
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But to be completely honest must add many times in SAME saga/world* (example SF) rules seem to change, so good luck at use feats for anything lol
*Tbh even inside SFV alone LOL
The only TK characters that could really beat Ryu are Kazuya, Heihachi, and the bosses. Jin potentially could if he had more time, but we probably won’t see him up to form with the other Mishimas until Tekken 8. And of the characters mentioned, Kazuya is the only one who strikes me as having an advantage because he was able to beat Heihachi, who is on par with Akuma. Also Akuma/Heihachi/Kazuya are the only characters so far who have completed the Jack gauntlet, though I can see a few others like Bryan or Paul being able to do so too.
In general though, the TK characters that aren’t Mishimas would probably be in the lower half of the SF power rankings. They just don’t have the exposure or comparable feats of even someone like Guile or Chun-Li.
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You are underselling Jin hard. How can you Jin isn’t on Kazuya and Heihachi level when he has defeated those two multiple times? Kazuya has a piss poor win record against his dad and son.
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The power ceiling of the SF universe is higher than at Tekken. It’s like comparing the SF universe to Mortal Kombat or Marvel. Different scales.
Most SF characters would beat most Tekken fighters clean. SF3 Ryu would wipe the floor clean with probably anyone in Tekken including Heihachi.
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Indeed, Jin has always been superior to these two. Even in T3 Jin managed to overcome True Ogre (which is Ogre after absorbing Heihachi’s powers). In T4 Jin owned both Kazuya and Heihachi one after another.
I think the outcome of Ryu vs. Jin highly depends on whether Tekken Akuma is as powerful as SF Akuma, cause if he is, then Ryu definitely doesn’t stand a chance (even SFV Ryu is no match for Akuma, whom Kaz and Hei were able to hold their own against). But it’s also likely Tekken just uses an alternate weaker version of Akuma, cuz y’know, SF Akuma can sink an island with one punch and nobody in Tekken has really displayed anything on that level.
The key it’s all there, each fictional world have it’s own setting/rules/etc, wich make all crossover stuff just fun fa service but nothing to build any canon wannabe theory about it
Again even in SAME GAME these games have hard time keep some coherent power scale going on*, let alone different games from different universes
While at it i think even the Akuma Island-crushing thing kinda betray SF spirit
*SFV Necalli lol
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What Cestus said.
Most fighting game franchises can’t even keep their stuff coherent within themselves, trying to theorizing comparisons with different franchises is a fool’s errand. And it’s not something exclusive to fighting games either.
I guess some people find the theory crafting fun to do though.
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It depends actually in the game, but if were talking base universe of each character SF is higher, then there goes Tekken, MK, KOF and the rest. (as of now but things can change as later characters would progress) It’s not that complicated looking into endings that show feats of strength, skill and power like Akuma did in SF3.
But if were talking outside feats beyond base universe, SF is guaranteed higher then KOF because of the crossover titles they had been through.
MK had vs DC but those had some kind of power ups that wasn’t essential originally to the characters in that game.
100% agree here
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Just out curiosity why exactly do you think Ryu would defeat Kyo?
I can’t see Ryu losing to a high school dropout.
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Yeah, that kid that went to school part-time can’t hope to be a match for a guy who skipped school altogether to train!
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Ryu is definitely more experienced as a fighter, and Ryu is incredibly focused when in his Mu no Ken state like DivineSkippy pointed out, while Kyo has got raw power backing him up. He’s only ever lost to Goenitz (who is Orochi’s most powerful servant) and Orochi Iori (who is basically Evil Ryu’s equivalent).
It’d be a decent match, but I believe Ryu would win in the end.
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Tbh we want Ryu to win because he trained for his powers instead of being a descendant to the Kusanagi clan, blah, blah, blah. So, umh, yeah, it’s hard to compare characters from different franchises, so in case of doubt Ryu beats Kyo legit 100% and you’d have a hard time proving otherwise.
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It’s really hard to compare the two.
The only direct comparison is Bison saying Kyo has greater power than Ryu in CVS2.
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With the already said premise crossover comparisions have no hope to be legit
Kyo may have an edge about ki related stuff with magic family fire and shit
Better manicure too
Stronger karaoke game possibly
Straight fighting, bench press contest, eating competition, striking only, grappling only, headbutts only, overall martial arts skill, arm-wrestling, barefoot walking, mountain climbing or sake drinking… our boy Ryu takes it
PS: i like Kyo, him and Rock were the only two tolerable jpop skinny SNK kids
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Kyo is a bad character to match Ryu with. The only thing the characters have in common is being the protagonist of their respective franchises. I feel that’s a bad point of reference to go with. Looking at the KoF character roster someone like Ryo and his dad would match up with Ryu better. I think Terry and Ken would be an interesting match up as those two have a lot in common.