It wouldn’t be that surprising, since a lot of official sources have been using fansites as reference for decades now and turning what was originally misinformation or fanon as canon, but usually its strategy guide authors or western developers that tend to do those kind of things (BradyGames’ Resident Evil 0 guide for example, referenced a fanmade timeline which included plot details from the S.D. Perry novels, which contradicted official sources from Japan). I was under the impression that even though the Street Fighter IP is owned by Capcom USA, most of the development and writing is still handled from the Japanese side, so they would know Morgan was a made-up surname if that was the case (whereas a western developer would take it as canon without a second thought).
I’ve pushed my luck and PM’ed vasili10 (and Sano too, since he was active in the old Warriors Fate thread and contributed to the FAQ) just in case, but I doubt he will reply.
I hate to say this, but while I admired the goal and intention of the Street Fighter Plot Guide and their dedication to track down and spread unlocalized information from Gamest and Studio BentStuff guides, I always had some issues with the way the guide handled things even before 2008. The author (I’m not sure if it was Tiamat or vasili10) would read too much into things that wasn’t there (like Zangief’s sexuality) and it was pretty obvious at times that he didn’t have that good of a grasp of the Japanese language when comparing the actual Japanese sources. Like how they would translate the word 格闘家/kakutōka as “fighting stylist” because the Japanese uses the term “martial arts” (マーシャルアーツ) as a specific fighting style instead of a generic term (this was due to a manga titled Shikaku Jungle in the early 80s that spread the idea to the Japanese public that “martial arts” was the name of a fighting style invented in the US).
Incidentally, the idea of Ansatsuken/暗殺拳 being a specific style practiced by Ryu and Ken and not a generic term for “killing style” is something that the Street Fighter Plot Guide spread and it eventually became canon in the US localizations starting with Street Fighter IV, even though the term predated the very first Street Fighter. I believed Buronson, the writer of Fist of the North Star, might had been the one who coined the term, since that’s the earliest instance of Ansatsuken ever appearing in Japanese fiction (not sure if it was ever used in any other Japanese manga or novel before Hokuto no Ken).
@vasili10 is full of shit and the old plot guide is obsolete. It belongs to an era long gone. Unless you are an archeologist, don’t bother digging through that nonsense.
Going on another topic, I just feel so indifferent to the new reveals. I don’t like it like with the S3 releases and I don’t hate it like with Kage, I’m just eh… Maybe it’s my gradual apathy to SFV that’s been going on for a while. Lucia looks alright but not iconic tier, I wonder if she has a link to Chun-Li since alot of artwork from CAP! and other Capcom magazines depicted her with Chun-Li. I don’t care for Poison or Honda either really.
Not surprised, from what I hear, Steam isn’t exactly a tight space for leaks and info.
Correct. Shikakui Jungle (“The Square Jungle”, by Ikki Kajiwara, it’s always him!) spread in Japan the idea that マーシャルアーツ “martial arts” was the US MILITARY FIGHTING STYLE, and that’s the reason Guile (and every other military FG character in the Nineties) was listed as having “martial arts” as his fighting style. Incidentally, the manga was the main modeling inspiration for SF1 Joe, because it centers around the protagonist Ushio Akaboshi, a kickboxer who wants to avenge his brother’s defeat at the hands of Benny “the Jet” Urquidez, one of the first Westerners to make it big in Japan in the Seventies. Joe (and the first Ken) is based upon Benny Urquidez, NOT Joe Lewis as many Western sites and wikis keep writing to this day. The manga is a mix of reality and fiction, and Urquidez’s Spinning Back Kick (“Rolling Sobat” in Japan) would become a signature move of Joe in SF1.
Hokuto no Ken was the first instance of the use of 暗殺拳 Ansatsuken, to my knowledge.
To add on what Daemos said, around the times of SFV release there was a falling out between Vasili and the rest of the thread exactly because of the issues you’re talking about. Since then the old plot guide has remained available on Gamefaqs while a new one has been started from scratch by the users from this thread.
This is part of the reason why Vasili doesn’t really post anymore in here.
I think Tiamat was the guy that wrote the guide at the very beginning (I think we’re talking early 2000s here), before Vasili would eventually took over entirely.
The oldest version of the Plot Guide I’ve got downloaded is 2.2, from 2002 I think? Lucia Morgan is in it already.
Sources mentioned in general in the guide:
"Sources (mostly in Saiki’s hands)
All about Capcom Fighting Games 1987~2000 (majority of the info from here) All About Street Fighter Zero 3 Official Street Fighter 2 Fanbook Official Street Fighter Zero 3 Fanbook Capcom’s official webpage (http://www.capcom.com) Statements by Capcom employees (ONLY to confirm stuff from the books, not ask for new stuff)"
In a way, that’s more or less what I’m doing. Ryo and myself had been trying to trace the origin of Lucia Morgan’s full name and it all led to the Street Fighter Plot Guide, since it’s never been used before in any official Capcom-endorsed media until now.
The conclusion I came up with is that either, vasili10 made it up or someone else made it up and he added it to the guide without question.
Indeed. I wrote about this in the past myself. Incidentally, the first time I’ve noticed something weird with the way the Japanese uses “martial arts” as a term was in the Street Fighter II animated movie. There’s a scene where they show the stats of Chun-Li and Guile side by side on a monitor and Guile’s martial arts is listed as “martial arts”.
It’s a bit annoying (for me anyway) that it’s nowadays associated almost exclusively with the Shotoclones’ fighting style within the anglosphere, especially when the term has also been used to describe Gen’s fighting style too (and it even appeared on the movelist for Street Fighter Zero 2).
So there’s a possibility that “Lucia Morgan” was added to the guide before vasili10 took over then.
Only part i disagree, i’m not sold on having an “universal” source for SF characters
I mean you’re right to call on Urquidez, they’re right on Lewis, and there are others sources too
I think like for Ryu, for Ken and others the sources are ever multiple, with rare rare cases of 1:1 rip off
I mean these guys added to Ken’s imagery too
and likely are’nt the only ones
If we add moves then, we open a whole another Pandora’s box
One day if you want we can start collect somewhere inspiration for SF special moves, i remember you did a great post on Chun Li’s ki attacks some time ago, was cool
I remember you said you found out lot of Zangief’s ones too
I think i got all of Ryu’s and Bison’s, for others only pieces
vasili10 doesn’t invoke good memories. I remember the blow ups we had with him in the first incarceration of thread. The dispute of Nash’s dogtags in SF4, Nash canon death, not wanting to acknowledge the aftermath trailers, ties that bind and Juri ova as canon because they were anime despite the fact they were produced by Capcom themselves. Not fun times.
Didn’t Vasili say something about Gen being a cyborg and was really obsessed about Zangief being gay?
I didn’t really know about the Vasili drama until I asked Mikros about it in the last thread but Vasili is a notorious name in the SF fandom, I’ve heard of him/her in Tumblr and Twitter conversations before I came to this thread.
Semi-related but there was a defunct website that had all the possible inspirations for SF and other Capcom characters, wouldn’t mind contributing to a modern day one.
I have a feeling that it may have originated in Capcom’s CFN or CAP! books, as far as I am aware, there’s hardly much scans or translations of the stuff from there apart from the “Reploid Research Lavatory” website which had some SF translations.
I had similar thoughts about Lucia last name. With me I didn’t know she had a surname until her reveal trailer. I don’t think anyone from Final Fight has surnames outside of Haggar.
