The Ultra Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread

[Pertho]

@DarthEnder

sealion

No idea what that is but you’re the one who quoted me. So I guess you could do the sassy emoji thing and then go feel superior or have a convo.

I got sassy faces too, watch:

Oh, this dumb shit:

Its quite a bit different when I offer up a stance and you just offered a passive aggressive eyeroll. So technically its incumbent on you to offer up a rebuttal to my points, but you did the thing with the face and the sassy stuff.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Yup man I knew, It’s just the team based format not the in-game mechanics and fundamentals of an SF game.

[Daemos]

Competitively viable? Are you fucking high? Even Smash is more of a fighting game than SFV.

[Magegg]

Do you think Ono will be in charge of Street Fighter 6?

[Shockdingo]

I think due to the shakeup, he’ll have a reduced role going forward, but I don’t think he’s completely omitted from SF. Can’t remember the details of the shakeup.

[mykka]

Isnt he still head of SF? I believe he’s just not head of the division anymore.

[Darc_Requiem]

IIRC he lost that title shortly after SFxT

[Hawkingbird]

Ono isn’t in charge of Capcom’s fighting games anymore. He got replaced by the producer of Monster Hunter

Yoshinori Ono is no longer head of the division that houses Capcom's fighting...

[javert]

The biggest hope for SF6 is that Ono has zero influence over it. At this point most disappointments over the previous games are intrinsic to his personal preferences and won’t be gone if he stays in charge.

[Hawkingbird]

Most of the shit people hate about modern Street Fighter isn’t directly his fault. He isn’t hands on as his role as producer. He’s more of a manager.

[mykka]

I dont think he’s at fault for a lot of the bullshit. Its just Capcom Japan is terrible, I truly believe he at least tries.

[The_Shakunetsu]

It’s probably the priorities of those some from above that sneak unlikely stuff on SFxT as a way to experiment if that would slip unnotice.

[Darc_Requiem]

Ono doesn’t have the influence you think he does. He’s not the battle director. Ono basically begged Capcom for the money to make SF and that is why the franchise is back. Ono’s main thing was promotion and they basically kneecapped him in season 1. His trolling style pissed me off at times, but Ono stayed in contact with the community. If he were in charge we would NOT have this radio silence nonsense.

[ES_Curse]

Competitively viable? Are you fucking high? Even Smash is more of a fighting game than SFV.

1. Smash isn’t a fighting game.

2. Competitively viable can be measured in a lot of funky ways. As long as both parties have an equal chance of winning by the rules of the game, whatever contest your choosing is competitively viable.

The real issue you had is likely to be on the viability of the cast. Yeah, seasons 2 and 3 were hella murky, but season 4 is in a really good spot. A lot of the cast is a lot more competitive with each other. Even the best version of SF4 also ahd a top tier with a lot of mid tier characters being competitive. So you’ll have to elaborate why a game with 60+ character somehow has better balance than one wiht a smaller cast through something other than sheer luck.[/quote]

I’m not hyping Smash, SFV is just on par with it in terms of serious competition. The only other main stage game that’s as poorly balanced as SFV is DBFZ, and that’s pretty fucking bad considering SFV has a multi-year head start, is slower paced, and isn’t new ground for Capcom.

But I’m not even talking characters, I mean the actual foundation of the game is shit. SFV is a linear game that forces you to play an incomplete character for most of the match due to the V-System. Most characters have exactly one game plan, and a lot of it boils down to either “frame trap with your MP normal” or “throw out CC buttons until you catch something”. It’s a bland, homogeneous mess and it doesn’t even have the roster to justify feeling so same-y.

[quote]We aren’t really boomers in any sense. There’s a large core that plays all the games, and then other capcom games. The thing about the SF series is that you get a a cross between familiar enough and batshit insane. So it has tits all to do with SF players being boomers and all to do that because the mechanics are so wildly different from each other, you can usually find and SF that plays how you like.

The closest series that comes to that is KoF. Unfortunatley for KoF, people aren’t as dedicated to some of the previous titles as SF players are to theirs. Say if I really wanted to stick to 11, I’d be shit out of luck. OTOH, SF has dedicated scenes for basically iterations. As long as your favorite game isn’t Alpha 1 or Alpha 2 gold, or that goofy Alpha 3 exclusive for PSP, you’re going to find a group of people to play with.[/quote]

How the hell is being wildly inconsistent a good thing? Ideally, when you make a sequel, you take the things that worked and add onto it or fix what was wrong. Completely fucking ignoring past successes to make the game “new” reeks of either an arrogant designer or someone who didn’t understand why the original was good in the first place. The fact that the community fractures with each new game is a symptom of this. The only thing holding the SF games together is nostalgia and a superficial set of similarities like controls and characters. So, boomers basically.

[quote]Problem here is that SF5 is a fighting game. Best player wins most of the time and the game only has two players. Yeah, you have a comeback mechanic, but it isn’t solely a comeback mechanic. You can use v-reversals aggresively to maintain momentum (which is drastically under explored as a tactic). There are also no forcible ways to end rubberbands.

Being in the 3rd round with no meter and your opponent with a full bar means that hte person with the full bar has a 500 damage combo stocked if they get you dizzy.

Only two players and all that, your assertions are looking kinda S-A-W-F-T at the moment.[/quote]

Best player wins in almost any game without literal RNG. This isn’t exclusive to fighting games. But, since you mentioned it, SFV does have a really bad “one hit wonder” problem where nobodies or players who were historically just fighting to get into top 16 will win a tournament or have a good season then just vanish. I didn’t see shit like this before SFV, and I don’t see it happening in Tekken. (No comment on anime games) Other than the reversal thing (which is still unexplored after 3 years despite people talking about it since season 1), you haven’t really said much that separates SFV from most other 1v1 games of any genre.

[quote]1) Plays nothing like the previous games. Outside of T5DR, does anybody give a shit about older tekkens…really? See that makes SF games special, they’re all way different in a lot of ways. Similar enough but crazy different from each other. Maintaining that is already good.

But lets get real details in:

2. Got rid of the crouch tech OS that made defense crazy good in SF4

3. It has taken real wild chances with their characters. Zeku is a massive variation on stances from Gen. Ed and Falke play in a unique way to themselves without sacrificing much. Abigail, Bison, FANG etc. There have been a lot of character gameplay decisions that have created new gameplay experiences from regular SF games. Doing so is always going to be a shitshow but its better than softballing it. G and Menat are also way different from regular SF characters in a lot of interesting ways.

4. Sticking with gameplay, it has made situational awareness incredibly important. This game is hard because you can’t take moments for granted. The situation after a blocked frame trap where you’re normals no longer reach is super important. But that’s also why its hard to play. Its different from other SFs were those tiny things weren’t always worth nitpicking. The cool thing is though, if you workout the decision making in those situations, you can get real tactical advantages that seem like random shit.

5. Execution was heavily lowered on simple stuff. Having reliable combos for the most part is pretty great. The real complaint is that, compared to SF4, there are way less combos than normal. Problem is that in SF4 you could do jab, jab, jab, short xx special as a combo reliably. there’s less but its consistent. Its a goofy trade off because this hsould’ve been the game with SF4 levels of links, but who knows why they decided what they decided. The good thing is that you don’t really have to worry about dropping basic links your character needs to function. There are still some harder things to do, but not necessary.

6. CFN is pretty amazing. This was a big chance to take, but unfortunately the bad press SF5 gets is done so universally. Capcom made it so you can access the vast majority of your replays at any time. You know how crazy that is? No other fighting game is giving you that much access to improve yourself. They also keep track of all the specials you use on your characters. There’s an SRKer who made a video on Sagat Zoning based literally on tracking which fireballs he used the most to show their effectiveness. Could it be better? Definitely. They dropped the ball in a lot of areas. But holy shit if all the features in it arean’t great. Truth is that in SF5, if you’re bad is because you want to stay bad.

7. All of the costumes. This one is sort of silly, but these are overall really cool. They’ve done a good job of pulling from Capcom’s IPs and adding awesome stuff to the game. There are issues with the fight money stuff, but focusing solely on making the experience fun, its awesome seeing Darkstalkers, Red Earth, Resident Evil, Megaman, etc characters make it in as costume. FFS, Ryu is Jin Saotome. If that had been happening during SF4, everybody would be shitting their fucking pants at how cool it is. Oh and if you win Capcom Cup you get a costume for your character that you design yourself…BOY.

1. A lot of people hold T3/Tag 1 near to their hearts, but that aside I already discussed this point.

2. Irrelevant to most people outside SRK and tournaments

3. I will give you this; SFV did actually introduce some interesting characters, and has a better batting average there than most fighting games this generation.

4. Really? You don’t in any way think this is a result of a narrow, linear game where characters are constantly trying to do the same things? SFV didn’t add this, it just removed everything else.

5. I’m not going to beat off over execution, it’s just an arbitrary thing in most cases. However, the relatively few combo routes available in this game kind of undermines that. Just makes the game feel boring to play and watch.

6. Replays? You mean a thing that is all but expected of a mainline fighting game by now? Jfc man…

7. You even say it’s silly, so I’m not going to argue here.

[quote]I could probably mess around and give you more things. But that’s it for now. This is all coming from somebody who has called this game one of the worst SFs at one point or another. I’ve trashed this game, pointed out when its good etc.

So yeah. SF5 is a mixed bag. For the most part though, there’s a lot of stuff they did to keep the game happy and fun that wasn’t gameplay related which we would all benefit from having back.
[/quote]

So the only thing I could give you here is new characters fitting into the series well. I would have even accepted the soundtrack (which is actually good all things considered) or the original pitch for FM before Capcom went to every extent to undermine it, but neither you nor anyone else that tries to speak for the game brings it up when you spend this much time trying to justify bad ideas.

SFV is only alive right now because of the brand name and funding for a tournament scene that is fucking irrelevant outside of marketing for most people. The fact that people are seriously floating SF6 less than 4 years in speaks volumes about how badly everyone just wants to bury this mess and move on. When you can’t think of anything to do with the actual gameplay of your “fighting game” that is commendable without a few asterisks, there is a problem.

[Pertho]

I got all excited but you basically said a bunch of nothing.

@ES_Curse

Irrelevant to most people outside SRK and tournaments

Didn’t know this was reddit or GameFAQs.

All my patreon subscribers can go ahead and smash that muthalovin’ like button if you wanna see me destroy this post with FACTs and LOGIC and EVIDENCE.

@ES_Curse

The fact that people are seriously floating SF6 less than 4 years in speaks volumes about how badly everyone just wants to bury this mess and move on. When you can’t think of anything to do with the actual gameplay of your “fighting game” that is commendable without a few asterisks, there is a problem.

Ooooh, Patreon donors get to see me give commendable points with Asterisks of games I love.

[Darc_Requiem]

SFV is only alive right now because of the brand name and funding for a tournament scene that is fucking irrelevant outside of marketing for most people. The fact that people are seriously floating SF6 less than 4 years in speaks volumes about how badly everyone just wants to bury this mess and move on. When you can’t think of anything to do with the actual gameplay of your “fighting game” that is commendable without a few asterisks, there is a problem.

Now are just being silly man. Whenever SFVI drops, people will bitch about SFV being better and hoping SFVII will be better. They did for SFIV. Most SFIII stans would not give the game the time of day at release. It’s par for the course and in our current whiny society its only going to get worse. The old thing is always better, whatever is current is ass, and the future title is always the next great hope.

[PVL_93_RU]

Do you think Ono will be in charge of Street Fighter 6?

Ono is just a PR guy at this point, I doubt he will ever direct or produce a Street Fighter game

[javert]

In the end, there’s somebody at the top who oversees all the aspects and gives the green light or rejects what’s being made. Say Harada in Tekken or Itagaki in the first 4 DoAs. And that person has to review the gameplay too, any main director who’s not capable of evaluating the job of the battle director and defers all decisions because “the battle director knows best” can’t be trusted. Given that all SF4, SxT and SF5 have similarities in the creative or artistic style I find it hard to believe that as a producer Ono wasn’t majorly involved with the decisions regarding both the gameplay and aesthetics. People have pointed out that the major goofiness that permeates all three games coincide with his personality, so it’s reasonable to assume he had a hand on it.

Even if he hasn’t been involved at all with SF development, the statement states mostly the same. Change to “Let’s hope whoever was involved with SF4, SxT and SF5 gets replaced by someone different and ambitious enough to not simply continue the defects of those games”.

[PVL_93_RU]

I’m not convinced Capcom won’t double down on the casualization aspect and go even more esports friendly with the next installment, especially considering their recent report to shareholders and that Street fighter is literally their only competitive IP now that Marvel vs Capcom is in the grave

[Cestus_II]

As SF fan i’m grateful to Ono

He resurrected SF with SF4 and made clear SF2 cast is core

He maybe saved SFV from being this crap, wich clearly is not his style

He’s no perfect but people hating on him start from the huge wrong idea that if-was’nt-for-Ono today SFV will be the SF they dream

If SF6 end up like the crap above i will miss Ono