The Ultra Buffs/Nerfs

Yeah but Poison is tall and thick, she looks like she has some power. While Rose is just the oldest woman in the game with an average body, she’s probably not even toned under her dress when it comes to muscles. Poison hanging out with Hugo must mean something. xD don’t forget she’s a man!

Chun Li might also be acceptable… But no way cammy or ibuki (examples) are having 1000 health… It doesn’t seem right…even if they weren’t as good as they are… yes I’m sexist in some ways! Hehe’

Makoto is supposedly getting her 1k health back. If ANY of the females deserves it, it’s her. Look at how ripped her arms are in that farm outfit man, no bullshit. One of the only female characters that actually looks like she works out and could kick your ass.

Chun and Poison have some thick legs, that’s true.

Her feet alone should have at least 1000 stamina. :stuck_out_tongue:

But overall it all depends on the tools of the character. I mean, Akuma looks like a 1000 or 1050 guy with all the muscles, but it wouldn’t be fair considering all the options he has to destroy you.

Hugo is getting the most buffs of any character going into this. His buffs are so massive he worked his way onto the character select screen and off the Construction Site stage.

If you go to the Evolution 2013 predictions and see my old post, I guessed right:D
Xian 1st, Infiltration 3rd, but I never counted on Tokido getting 2nd o_O

The most horrible match in Evo finals HISTORY…
Xiao Hai (Red Yun) vs Sakonoko (Evil Ryu) I’m sure Daigo and Kazunoko we’re laughing like " omgwtfbbq this guys not worthy to represent the Red Yun after that pitiful display!! Ahaha"
Doubt that but, it’s true… even Seth killian was like umm yeah did we just watch a early pools match… lol

44 characters next year and all of them better finish top 16 next EVO capcom!!. roll eyes

He’s gotta be buff. Worked construction for 5 years. That’ll get ya ripped.

You know they cheated us by giving her man chin…

oops double post.

thanks goodness they didnt go by how they are in the OVA movies… Chun and cammy would have like 850 to 900 life… especially chun since her legs always get broke.

In which game? She has one of the best female faces in SF4 imo.

Just in sf4… they gave her a little bit of a long chin but anyways… i have a new sub for rose which will be poison…

Again, should be how a character plays rather than how they look lol. Personally I think in the context of SF4 having Makoto be 1k health makes sense. In 3S having her be above average makes sense to me. Rose should be 1k as well. Poison should be either 950 or 1k depending how they handle her frame data/hitboxes. If they keep her having a safe on block overhead special that avoids projectiles and goes full screen then yeah she should stay 950, especially with her strong pokes and the pressure she will be able to get on knockdown from her HP fireball setups maybe even 925, it can all change based on the strength of the tools themselves. Even then I think it’d be better to adjust tools rather than health as characters with low health but amazing tools often show to be stronger than characters with average health/tools or high health and only 1 good tool.

but Capcom believes in Vag Tax so females having 1K health is out of the Question…Even Alisa and Julia in SFxT were not safe from the tax for very long…

Vagtax is such an interesting conundrum to me. When you sit down and think about it, the fact Capcom balances females using health more than they do other characters is actually a net WIN for the viability of female characters in the series as their tools are often less nerfed as a result. However on the flip side, the fact that they obviously are biased towards using health more than frame data/damage/hitboxes/options as a way to nerf a female character FEELS wrong.

The result is good but how they get the result seems wrong.

Vagtax?

Sakura (top 5 as a general consensus)
Makoto (top 5 according to Daigo)
Cammy (actual top 5)
Viper (top…8?)

Exactly half of the female cast is highly regarded on the tier list. The other half have had great showings or representation (except Juri…for now).

Trade health for damage, mix-up game or overall viability? It sounds like a good deal to me. Not sexist at all. If anything, female empowerment.

I compiled a list like a year or so ago breaking down the characters from MVC2, UMVC3, TVC, CVS2, 3rd Strike, SF4, and AE2012 and it was something like 85% of all female characters that have been in Capcom fighting games have had below the median point for health.

But at least in this game, their lack of health hasn’t rendered them invalid…or “taxed” their vag’s, as you guys so phrased it. It’s more of a balance. Imagine any of those 4 females with more health, and more chances to stun, damage and kill your character.

Btw, in all those games you listed, there was at least one dominant, top tier femme (except TvC…never played it).

The vagina tax is only paid in health points. Sure they can try to dodge it for a year or two, but eventually Capcom WILL come and collect.

But Rose has to work ultra hard at keeping the opponent out and Makoto has to work extra hard to stay in and keep an opponent out. If a character has bad wake up options I think they should have some health to compensate.

A lot of characters have little to no wake-up options without spending meter. It’s not just a girl thing, its a not-everyone-can-have-a-3f-dp thing…doesn’t mean they all get a buff, esp when tjey have other tools to compensate to slighlty below average health. Rose has a ridiculous back dash and Makoto hits , stuns and mixes up like few can. It all evens out. Look at Seth, he’s a perfect example of all offense and little to no health. Imagine him with more health, he’d be stupid.