He has the tools but it’s very hard to land that first hit to get it going.You have to be on your A game on hit confirming counterhits and what not to actually make him look good.Down the road, this character will only be as good as the player wants him to 
i cant see why people would think hes top tier, steve is just a kazuya with bad mix ups, and even then heihachi can do everything kazuya does, but infinitely better, i mean probably if he had okay footsies and defensive options he might be upper mid, but i honestly think he might be at the bottom of mid
How do we feel about putting Steve at starter these days? I’m playing Steve/Lili and I’m not seeing any immediate problems with this team, I actually think it’s really good. But I also haven’t played a human since a week ago.
Yeah I feel Steve is for sure an anchor character in this game. He really needs meter to get things going, and Ryu can pretty much do whatever he wants all day with or without bar.
And after the tag, yeah I’m still figuring out ranges. But i think I’d have to go to cr. middle xx foxhunt right? I thought mk doesn’t have enough hitstun for the launcher?
Regarding counter usage, command grab, and peekaboo stance, Gimpyfish pretty much sees all those moves the same way that I do. If people jump in and you counter, they can block and then hurt you bad. Something I have been doing against jump-ins sometimes is using the LK sway into close MP. It hits pretty regularly, but it will get hit by deep jump ins so you have to be careful with it.
Command grab is really hard to land in actual matches because it is rare that people will be stand blocking as you come in with a duck.
If you’re trying to read a command grab (e.g., Hugo, Gief, Marduk), I think it’s better to neutral jump for full punish rather than go into peekaboo because you can get a big fat combo afterwards. Steve’s neutral jump roundhouse has a really amazing hit box, it extends quite far. I do think there will be applications for the peekaboo LP move but I’ll have to mess with it more. You can do the cr lp xx cr mp xx st. rh (albatross spin) chain, cancel spin into peekaboo, and then go into armor LP, which might be cool, but I haven’t experimented with it enough yet to throw into a tourney match.
yeah c.mk > ducking skyscraper > f+mp > lp > flicker jab is the combo I use when I tag steve in.
I haven’t really had many problems landing his crouch fierce after a tag in. I think the key is letting him come in the right distance to land it. I also think the counter is pretty useless.
What do you guys do on wake up??? I’ve been getting owned after I get knocked down.
Also I think Steve is definitely in the bottom half of the cast.
I play on a ps2 pad and I personally haven’t had any pain or anything when playing. When I first started using pad it took a while to get used to so maybe you just got to get used to it and you’ll be alright.
you back dash, block, ex counter, or beg for mercy and hope to god they dont throw you
Can he combo from his overhead at all?
With no crossup game, all that big damage people are finding won’t mean shit if he has no way to open people up.
Hes a CH character. Frame trap people and hope they press buttons.
Don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but you can follow up a regular hit albatross in the corner with a short juggle.
Alb>mp/hp, cr.hp x flk, flk>lp, flk>lp.
340 damage.
and when they learn to not press buttons use all those moves that do chip to make them think twice oh wait
Thats the kind of shit people say when a character has a glaring flaw. I love steve i think he’s a great style character…but he is way too polarizing to be anywhere as good as people are making him out to be. Steve with meter is great but anyone with meter is great.
Stop worrying about how good or bad he is and just play him.
He’s fun.
From what I’ve found, a counter hit causes a bind/ground bounce. You can probably link attacks after, but I find it easier to switch cancel and have my partner do it for me.
Well where else are we supposed to complain? lol. Im sticking to him. He above everything else is what you said…fun
Not when he’s so bad that he’s not fun to play as. I’m garbage at this game but I can at least do decent with a lot of characters. Now that people have figured out Steve’s little tricks he just gets blown up all day. He’s just outclassed.
I hear ya. He takes work, but I will do my best to prove he isn’t so bad =P
this is a place for discussion of the character isn’t it? if he is bad, we SHOULD discuss that, discuss why, and discuss how we can utilize all of his strengths while not ignoring his weaknesses
i’m still playin steve, but i don’t think he’s that buff hahaha
SUPER fun though absolutely.
my team changed from steve/rog to rog/steve and i’ve been having more success since that
He’s one of the most fun chars to play and he also got that Swag! Wall to wall combos are so stylish!