Frame Trap against Normal Up-Kicks: crouching short, crouching short, crMp into Low Hozanto. Or crouching short, crouching short into crMk. Some others are crMp into crMk or crMp into crLp.
Should the existing threads labeled “AE” be renamed to “AE 2012”? Or maybe we could create new threads with updated info since some OPs of the AE threads don’t seem to be around much anymore?
Hello, someone knows guy frame disavantage after a normal>sudden stop? Which normals are the best ones for SS?
TC: -2
Cl St mp: -3
Cl St HP -4
Everything else is -8 or below.
Wow far st.mp is -8? it thought it was better
its a risk but only people that know its unknown safe will do something.
Against DJ its actually a lot better to use cr. mk rather than cr hk for the safe jump OS. It’ll beat Machine Gun Upper and EX Sobat (causes an air reset) and leaves you unharmed and in perfect position for a big punish on his Up kicks.
What do I do when I fight Adon? The type that just Jaguar kick/tooth all day, if I block too much they throw and if I cr. tech they go for another Jaguar kick/tooth
are there any normals that I can use to stuff that ridiculously ‘safe on block’ special moves he has?
Jaguar tooth you can beat it with St HK and cr Hp… or ex tatsu, if you see it coming full screen you can U1 but thats a risk and U2 i think you may be able to grab him since it puts him at -2 bnut not sure if you’ll be in range.
Jaguar kick, cr mp or cr mk I know one of the two can beat it, and you can TK izuna it. also if spaced incorrectly U2 for free or even U1 if you time it right.
Cammy Match Up thread is up.
Added info to Misc. section of Rufus Match Up Thread.
so…
dhalsim’s move where he stands on one foot can negate grabs? coz i used U2 on him and he just stood on one foot and nothing happened.
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any tips for Balrog mu?! i know cr mk and throws stops ex dash on wake up ; U2 catches any turn punch on block ; except for that i m not sure about normals to use vs 'rog
Planning on going through every single character and detailing literally every piece of information that I can think of. Here is my template:
Character name: Health: Stun:
Normal name | startup | frame advantage on hit | frame advantage on block | what to counter poke with | how to whiff punish | notes of interest
(for every normal / command normal)
Special move name: | start up | frame advantage on hit | frame advantage on block | how to deal with it | what it does / can lead to | notes
(for all special moves)
Ultra name: | Usage | what to look for | how it affects the match | notes
counter hit setups:
OS of significant use
What advantages does Guy have:
What disadvantages does Guy have:
How to deal with the matchup (in my opinion):
Would yall be interested in me posting my notes ? Anything else yall could think of ?
It would be formatted in Excel…unless yall have a better idea
As a pool of one or separated by character threads cause I know we have good amount floating around here.
Here is the first google doc, let me know what yall think. input / suggestions are welcomed.
do yall like this idea or should I not continue ?
Sorry a bit preoccupied yesterday, I have no idea where everyone is these days… then again I know most are probably focusing on school. I like the idea, but you should list what guys safe jumps are on that character.
That would be a lot of work man, per character.Plus I noticed you have a match-up ratio at the end, which people will of course disagree upon. Abel needs one knock-down to effectively deplete half, if not all of Guy’s life, cos of his ability to combo ultra anywhere, either from one step kick or a cr.HP.
Guy needs many more knockdowns/hits to defeat Abel.
^^ The matchup ratio is in my personal opinion, obviously. And yeah, Abel does do much higher burst damage, but Guy can OS, frame trape, and counter hit Abel (up close) much more effectively. Honestly Im even leaning towards this matchup being slightly in Guy’s favor, but for arguments sake, and the fact that Abel does such high damage if he catches Guy sleeping, im leaving it at 5/5
And I dont mind doing the matchup compendium for each character. Ive already got Adon done and have started on Akuma. I was planning on taking detailed personal notes anyways, but if it would help the community / Guy players / NEW Guy players, I will happily complete the character list. Just let me know what yall think. Our matchup threads are pretty damn messy anyway
Eh the one’s me and Kreymore did are fine and get straight to the point of what you have to avoid, look for, what tools to use, etc. Plus everyone gave their own detailed views on the matchup. This just is simply your own views on the matchup. Which would get added to the ones we already have. Abel can be a trainwreck, but half the time you just have to gimmick him 