or just watch how well watson beasted you. learn from him.
The Tomo Ohira tutorial link doesn’t work 
This is pretty decent for an old tier list. Personally I have the best 6 characters in no particular order as: ryu, ken, sagat, chun li, guile, blanka
the other 6 all have some bad match ups.
The advantage list though is a little wrong. Ryu and ken do not have an advantage over chun li, that’s match is evens, chun li’s only bad match up is sagat. She’s at least 50/50 with the rest.
How does ryu have key advantage over ken or sagat? makes no sense to me.
Still, it’s better then those other 2 tier lists which are junk.
Honda 1st? wtf, honda is junk in HF. Tons of characters can zone him and just shut him out the match. Honda’s just noticeable for being a hard match for zangief and boxer
Honda’s not great in HF but he’s far from junk. He has absolutely horrible matchups against Ryu and Ken, but most people aren’t willing to do what it takes to lock Honda out with them (in other words, stick to only using fireballs and sweeps). He’s fine against others. Chun-Li can own him, but the player has to know what he’s doing and I’ve only seen one HF Chunners player who does.
Personally, I don’t know how there’s argument against Ryu being #1; fast fireballs, broken-ass hurricane kick, great normals. There’s a reason people usually fall back to him.
well if you ever play one of those scrubby ryu and ken players who just like to jump forward and flying kick then honda is god but any ryu or ken player with a clue will just zone you to death. But yeah you’re right, junk is too strong a word, lacking would probably be better way to describe him.
ryu is definitely no.1 but ken should never be underestimated. I don’t understand how people can place ryu 1st then ken 4th.
Honda is lacking big time 
Makes me wish I knew other characters.
honda has major problems against chun once he falls behind. But you probably already knew that.
Ryu, Guile, and Sagat are better then Ken, he’s not underestimated at all in HF imo, he’s just not as good as Ryu overall. Even with Sagat being toned down comming out of CE, it’s not like it’s to such a degree that Sagat should drop any lower then #3 in HF, even with his watered down Tiger Shots, he’s still a wrecking house in HF.
Guile is #2 for obvious reasons, he’s basically CE, but he’s not as strong damage output wise, which is the only real difference, however with the higher speed, it just benefits someone like Ryu to a higher degree pushing him above Guile(Not to mention having a faster Hadouken, better recovery on his Hadouken, Hurricane Kick goodness, jab’s, etc, etc).
Imo, I would place Blanka 4th in HF as Tomo did on his list, the guy is just too damn strong overall not to be 4th. Ken would be 5th for sure though, the reason he shouldn’t be any higher than 5th is that he’s nowhere near as dominant as Ryu, because he doesn’t have as ridiculous of a fireball zoning game as Ryu, no inv. hurricane either, from there, I would probably say Chunli would be 6th, and after that, I would really have to think more, however imo, top 6 should go as shown…
1.Ryu
2.Guile
3.Sagat
4.Blanka
5.Ken
6.Chunli
Evilj, you are right, Honda has it tough up against Chunli, and especially Shoto’s, Ryu without a doubt, even Guile it’s tough for him. However he does quite well up against Claw though, and Dictator too. HF overall is very, very solid, basically everyone can be played, the only character whom I say who has it really, really, tough overall is M. Bison.
Honda vs. Chunli is a race to get that first hit and then a race to the corner. No fun. But in strategy terms, if Honda gets anymore than two characters length away from Chunli, he’s lost already. And guess where the match starts?
;_;
I have top 6 in order as ryu-ken-sagat-guile-chun-blanka
but guess we’ll disagree.
ken’s dragon punch is godly, he can just completely lock down the air. He’s just a different style then ryu, I really don’t think there is a big enough difference between ryu and ken to justify that sort of gap in the tier list, this isn’t 3s. Ken’s hurricane kick is still very useful and his air hurricane kick is more useful then ryu’s for escaping corner traps. Lets not pretend ken is vastly inferior because that’s bs.
Guile’s flashkick got nerfed, it has a longer charge time then ce guile, he also lost some priority and damage. guile is still strong but not the beast he is in ce.
There is huge gap. Ryu’s hurricance kick has invincible startup and on the way down. He can use it as psuedo AAs where DPing would be too risky. Ken has a harder time than ryu does in a lot of the same matchups.
As far as listing in the tiers go, chun and ken are pretty much interchangable for the 6th spot.
Your right this isn’t 3S, is because HF is far more balanced than 3S to begin with. Ken is not 2nd at all, he shouldn’t be ranked higher than 5th, Shoryuken is beastly no doubt, however outside of that, what does he really, really have that makes him as good or next to Ryu? His hurricane kicks have some nice priority yeah, but no inv. frame start or on fall down on the hurricane kick. Also, Ryu’s Aerial hurricane kick does have it’s moments, like stuffing Sagat’s TigerUppercut by doing an early jump kick, you can two in one that into a hurricane kick, knocking Sagat down and putting you at a safe distance. Also, Ryu’s hurricane kick is better for getting out of corners than Ken’s, because he has inv. frame priority.
Most importantly Ken’s Hadouken game is nowhere near as good and to me, that’s one of the strongest points as to why Ryu is ranked #1 when compared to Ken, which is why this makes Ken far more prone to punishment on his fireballs then Ryu.
Just compare the matchups that Ryu has the advantage in, that Ken would not, someone like Guile is a good example. Ryu has the advantage because he has the better Hadouken game to zone Guile out, not only that, but Hurricane Kick can punish and knock Guile down up close, where as Ken’s far more prone to punishment, and his hurricane kick doesn’t do much to say the least up against punishing Guile for launching a SB. Also, what good does having a beastly Shoryuken do up against a character like Guile?
Overall, Ken doesn’t do well up against matches in where Ryu would, and the matches that Ken can do well, Ryu does even better, the E. Honda matchup for example. Ken is not being underestimated, he’s still very strong, being 5th is underrating him? This puts him in a position where only 4 characters are considered overall better than him, that’s pretty damn beastly if you ask me.
Also, who really does flashkick outside of the lk one for Guile anyhow. Guile still has the same priority on his c.mk, knee bazooka, BackFist, most importantly SonicBoom*, Air Throw, jump upward with fk, etc, etc, he can zone basically like his CE counterpart, still making him a monster, he’s still #2 in HF, only from SSF2 onward do they nerf Guile to not become a Top Tier contender.
Some good points I guess
When I’m playing as sagat I find ken players much more annoying then ryu for some reason. A ken player dizzied my sagat recently with jumping flying kick xx air hurricane kick combo. Damn air hurricane multiple hit tall sagat.
Think regardless of the order of the top 6 it seems that most people agree on who is in the top 6. I think the bottom 6, honda, gief, sim, balrog, vega, bison all have a good handful of bad match ups. It be interesting to see how much play these bottom 6 would get in tournament play.
As I play this on live on the 360 one thing I have noticed is there seems to be more ken players then ryu. Granted most these players are scrubs but there is something about ken that seems to lure in more inexperienced players.
Everyones good in HF! Ken/Ryu/Sagat/Blanka are all high with Guile/Zangief/ChunLi a little below them (upper mid) then everyone else just mid tier! Hyper Fighting is the most balanced Street Fighter to date period! Prolly to old for serious tourny play but a fun, fun game nonetheless! 
Well ST is 13 years old and that doesn’t effect its tourney status, I don’t think its anything to do with age, just that st is perceived as a better tourney game. Probably true, st does have more depth and less scruby shit in it. But I still kinda like hf for some reason.
Intersting that you don’t have guile as high, I’m starting to thing that way too of late. I really think ryu, ken and sagat are better then him. Blanka and chun li are probably the most annoying characters to play against.
Either way HF is a great game, I see no reason why it can’t be played in tournaments as well as ST, playing 2 versions of the best incarnation of the SF franchise can’t hurt.
Yeah Guile is definetly not high at all. He can get shut down by shotos (good ones) and although some ppl to this day say that Guile vs say Ryu or Ken is a even match is wrong, Shotos always have the slight advantage against Guile not just in this game but every game.
ChunLi, Zangief (kick lariat is extremely good in this game and works very well on Guile) Vega all fight him with little to no problems. He does have some good favorable matches and of course is real good in the right hands.
As for the balance thing even though ST features more ability with the characters and is also balanced meter always makes the determining factor and shifts the match differently like Rog, Ryu for example which makes the imbalance sorta. Hyper Fighting since there is no meter it scales more towards matchups then ST does where certain characters are reliant on meter more than others would.
Once again I understand theyre both old games and ST is more popular but I prefer Hyper as more of a staple Street Fighter game to establish the name Street Fighter 2 and also more playable and fun.
Edit: Also if you want speed Hyper Fighting is way more faster than ST. HF speed default is 4 while ST’s is 3! Hyper was meant to be played at that speed too!
You guys are forgetting that Hyper Fighting is a very balanced game. There’s either a slight advantage or a slight disadvantage.
Alot of you guys say shoto characters are better than guile. I agree that shoto characters do have a very slight advantage over Guile, but I bet 9 out of 10 of you can’t beat Mike Watson’s Guile. You guys are ranking Guile low because you haven’t faced a good Guile player.
Same thing with Ken. You guys are ranking Ken low because there are very few good Ken players. There’s a difference between someone who spams DP’s and hurricane kicks and combos just to look cool versus someone who knows when to execute the right moves at the right time. Ken has the most powerful move in the game and he can destroy you at anytime.
Although Ken’s fireball is not as dominating as Ryu’s, he can still use his advantages to win games. Ken moves faster on the ground. He can interrupt combos with his DP. He’s always ready to blow you out of the water.
I whomp on GOOD Ryu players all the time with Ken. Ryu is no match for Ken on a ground fighting match because Ken is quicker. Ryu can only resort to fireballs to keep him away. But guess what, everytime Ryu throws a fireball, he becomes vulnerable. A combo from Ken = dead Ryu.
We should have a Ken vs. Ryu competition only to settle to score :).
I was just recently at the Cal Poly tournament playing Norm and Watson. Norm beat Justin Wong for 1st place that day in ST, so he was on fire.
I played Norm in Hyper Fighting and I picked Ken the whole day. I beat his dhalsim, Vega, Blanka, Gief, Ryu, Balrog, and probably went 50/50 with his Chun Li. He got lucky a couple of times, I got lucky a couple of times. Chung Li has got to be his best character and I’m willing to bet he can whoop on top tier Ryu players. He placed 1st in ST with Chung Li, so yes, he’s probably the best Chung Li Player I’ve played.
I played Watson’s Ryu using Ken and I probably beat him 2 out of 3. How serious was he playing or how rusty he was , who knows? I was rusty myself. He was also transitioning in between tournament games. He whooped on my Ken with Dhalsim though… but I’ll be ready for the Master Sim the next time around.
Then the last games I play him, he picked Guile. His Guile is masterful and you can tell right away that you gotta play almost with no errors to beat his ass. My friends are all good with Ryu and they all lost to him nasty. Watson straight beasted them and I teased them on the way home. I was playing Ryu and he came over to challenge me with Guile. His Guile definitely took me by suprise because he is damn good. He probably beat me twice before me taking the last game, so he got me 2 out of 3. But if you include my friends, he was probably 8-1 Guile over Ryu. I did not know who he was when I played him, but when I saw his Guile, I knew he had to be someone good/known.
So yes, Guile maybe 4th , 5th, 6th or whatever in your hometown but come down to Socal and play Watson’s Guile and he’ll make Ryu look like 4th , 5th , 6th place.
Watson’s Guile rarely makes mistakes. He’ll definitely be putting the pressure on you to make mistakes. If you don’t make mistakes…fine, you will have a slight advantage. But that’s about it.
There are very very few players that I would bet on using Ryu to beat Watson’s Guile. Very Very few. You would have to know exactly what to do every second of the game.
Ken
i wish we played this over ST everywhere.
does anyone know what the best way to play it is? other than the original board+cabinet?
ps. supers are stupid. and tech throws are weak. who said ST was deeper?
Yes well throwing softning was a much needed addition to ST. Tick throws in HF are retarded. ST is much deeper, much more combo depth. Whether you think HF or ST is better or not you can’t argue which has more depth, of course it’s ST, it stupid to suggest otherwise.
watson’s guile? well I bet you can take someone of daigo’s ability, give him ryu and make his guile look like noob. Chances are all the ryu’s who played him suck. Ryu has definitely got an advantage over guile. American players, enough said. lets talk top japanese guile’s beasting and I might care.
Guile being top tier in this game is a myth, he’s at a disadvantage to ryu, ken, chun, blanka and sagat.
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Watson’s Guile Vs. Daigo’s HF Ryu.
I don’t see Daigo doing anything other than spamming fireballs. Like I said, Guile might have a slight disadvantage, but most people won’t be able to beat him, including Daigo using HF Ryu, Honestly, Daigo’s HF Ryu isn’t even that impressive. He was afraid to jump using the correct counter and he didn’t use chain combos to finish Guile off when he had the chance. His only strategy was to fireball away.