Yeah I remember that. It did get nerfed before the final build. This was before we knew what characters would be dominant. Once the game got into everyones hands it was obvious who should have been nerfed and who should have been buffed. Considering how easy it is for people to jump in on Chun sometimes that Vaccume EX Bird would have been nice. Who knows maybe we will see that again but no one played Chun Li at that Cebit 2010 show unfortunatly, everyone keeps flocking to the popular characters (Ibuki, Makoto, Dudley are taking over the spotlight for now).
I think the game is gonna demo at GDC if any of you chunners get a chance to go at all please test Chun out.
^This… and check the full revenge meter damage of both raw Ultras if you can. After seeing that all ultra display vid on the front page, I’m thinking the U2 damage is not as low as people were speculating before. She didn’t even have full revenge guage and it looked like it almost did as much damage as U1 on Adon (of course the gray-life might’ve been playing tricks on my eyes).
Also, see if you can punish something relatively quick like Ryu’s sweep on block with a reversal U2. Of course we’ll know this by the end of next month anyway, but I’m curious now so if someone can test some stuff that goes beyond what we learned from the Vegas’ night, that would be much appreciated.
-14 is quick now? There are anti-air reversals and uppercuts safer on block than that thing. Abel has a 1-frame punish on it, but I believe every Ultra in SFIV punishes that, I’d hope to god Kikosho could or else I don’t think it would combo off of anything before they hit the floor.
Oops, my bad. I haven’t looked at it in a while. 'Didn’t realize Ryu’s sweep was that punishable. I’ll have to remember that for next weekend. :lol:
Maybe try vs. something like Akuma’s sweep or Honda’s st. RH/ EX Headbutt. Just anything to test if U2 has similar close-mid range punishing speed as U1 (or faster maybe?).
It looks like Gief, Blanka and Akuma have the fastest Ultra startup currently, but that’s close range only. They can’t reach something like Honda’s EX headbutt after blocking. I’m curious to see if in SSF4 Chun’s U2 is almost as good as her current Super for punishing things like that with no charge required (or at least as fast as her current ultra).
lol darklight… chuns u2 wont be anywhere near as fast as her super… she already has the fastest hitting jugglable/punishment ultra in the game…
i can almost gurantee that her u2 is somewhere around 10-12 frames of startup… which means that “technically” she will be able to punish ryus sweep with u2…
but unfortunately i dont really think it will work that way… only if ryu sweeps from point blank will her u2 actually be able to punish it imo.
casue the kikosho proabaly doesnt startup with its full range… it probably gets a little more range on subsequent frames… having only like 60-70% of its total range available on the first frame…
i actually hope i’m wrong, but that is how capcom has been balancing the game in general, and chuns kikosho has always functioned more or less like that… combine the 2 and iys pretty foreseeable how kikosho is going to work in sf4… theoretically.
Lol Nah, perhaps she was played but those who recorded the game only played with some 3S and Alpha characters and a few main stays so it was to me at least a wasted opportunity but it’s kind of like what someone here was saying, that because Chun Li does’nt have that “Pwnage” touch to her like Ryu and Sagat, people will shy from her until something changes. But latley i’ve been noticing at least online a ton of Chun Li players, it may have to do with SHizza’s recent performance. I notice she’s been inching up to the top of the Mid Tier section too since the last few updates, hmm.
But yeah GDC is probably the last chance to see some solid demo’s of SSFIV and I hope Chun Li gets some love and attention this time.
I didn’t like Chuns at all in 3S and she was top tier. It’s all about the way she plays in 4, because she was perfect. There a few minor tweaks I would like to see, but I don’t want to see anything that drastically changes the way she plays.
Ehh, I’m gonna go against the majority and say I don’t care if Chun is overpowered in SSF4. I main Chun in all games and I’m not gonna stop playing her just because they may have made her overpowered. I used to visit the improvement threads of characters and cheered and sighed over some of the proposed changes until one day I got an epiphany and just said fuck it. I don’t really think Capcom has it in them to make realistic changes that need to be made. They seem reluctant to eliminate a lot of the BS certain characters have or they just seem too unsure about how changes they could make to certian characters would influence balance from one extreme to the other, so they do very little. Some of the changes I’ve seen seem too inconsequential, baffling, or just plain outrageous. At this point it’s a crapshoot so I just don’t worry about it anymore. The game will be what it will be, and with over 30 characters, limited play testing etc, I don’t have high hopes for balance. I’ve got thick skin so if people are ready to hurl the scrub comment towards me for picking Chun with Kikosho, so be it. While Chun aint too bad in SF4, I’m tired of dealing with Akuma, Ryu’s, Sagat’s, Viper, and ESPECIALLY Rufus’ schenanigans. If Kikosho finally gives some of these characters reason to fear Chun, the stigma will be worth it. Especially when you hear “Chun Li Wins.”
With all due respect Saturius your missing the point. First off we WANT the Kikosho and most of us will abuse the hell out of it when it’s in our hands, trust me. What we don’t want is Chun Li to be given some magic button/move that just makes her so God Like that every Ryu, Ken, and Sagat player will rush to Chun Li as their main. Chun Li is one of the few characters that you actually have fun mastering. It’s not like Ryu where he plays the same like in every single street fighter, you pick Ryu and you know what your gettin. But Chun Li is ever so changing, there is always something interesting, something new to learn about her. She’s probably one of the only Street Fighter characters who’s moves have dynamically changed through the series and Vs. Series. Can you imagin if this chick went God Tier in SSFIV? Can you imagin the number of Chun Li clones we would face? And I already hate Chun Li mirror matches.
I would also like to point out that it means a hell of a lot more when someone says “Nice Chun” Then, nice Ryu aka nice Daigo play.
Besides the biggest problem if anything was her Damage Handicap and Health. SInce this is getting fixed she will be able to play the same but just have a fair shot.
^ I don’t know how you got a troll vibe from my post but anyway, my point was that IF Chun does becomes high tier or overpowered, I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I too like it when people say “Nice Chun” to me because I feel you really do have to earn your wins with Chun in SF4, but I personally just don’t sweat over this kind of stuff anymore. I used to complain a lot about Ryu, Rufus etc, and while they still annoy me, I don’t get bent out of shape about it anymore. If I lose to them, I lose and move on. If a character is gonna have some BS moves, oh well, I’ll have to deal with it and truck on( Dive Kick, I’m lookin at you). I don’t think there’s anything wrong in people wanting a balanced character and wanting Chun to maintain some level of respect in the gaming community by not becoming whored out like Ryu and Sagat, but again, I personally just don’t care about that stuff anymore. If Chun is weak in SSF4? Fine. I’m still gonna main her and do what I have to do to win against characters as I do in SF4. If she’s overpowered? Fine. I’m still gonna main her and hand out the ownage regardless of how people may view me. It’s the only attitude I can have when you’re dealing with a game with auto correcting ultras, easy reversals, super easy inputs etc etc. I guess you could say I’m taking the Zen approach to all of this.
Oh darn I had a respons typed up and I hit the wrong button rolf.
But umm yeah I guess when you put it that way you make a vaild point.I see what your saying tho. Your not gonna pick Chun Li just because she is stronger, it’s just you don’t care if she is weak or not yoru playing her because you want to, however you just feel that improving her is just a welcomed bonus and should’nt be taken to heart. I guess if I was a Dan player I would probably welcome a buff. Yeah I guess you can’t take this game too seriously because of how random it is. Even Daigo get’s randomed sometimes, which is funny usually.
By the way tho how about that Hakan, think he’s gonna be trouble for Chun Li?
This game isn’t any more random than any other fighter.
The best player will win most of the time, nobody has reached such a level that they’re untouchable, but the game has only been out a year and a half in the arcade.
It’s not like in 3s where they’ve been playing for around 10 years, it takes some time before a Kuroda-level player can appear.
It’s the same in Tekken, at the end of T5DR Knee literally dominated everyone else, now that BR is out he’s not dominating like he used to.
Does the make the game random, no, it just means that people need to play more.
I mean, does one person have to win all the time for a game not to be random?
As long as players are close to eachother in skill they will take wins from one another.
Thinking anything else is just stupid.
The only thing I have a worry about is people going and laming out the entire game by just fishing for hit confirms with Chun all day like some 3rd Strike shit. Even if she’s like 4th, if it’s because of easy mode Ultra all the jab spamming Balrog scrubs will be on it like there’s no tomorrow, and we’ll see some seriously lame shit from people half-assing their way through.
I welcome the guaranteed damage and relaxed execution, I just don’t want it to be strategically dominant, because everyone will suffer.
Chun’s my main, and of all the second ultra setups I’ve seen hers is by far the easiest. It’s on par with balrog’s ultra in terms of easiness to land. You just hit confirm a crouching lk into ex legs and then do ultra. If you’re playing chun effectively, there’s definately going to be one point in a match where you can mix up your opponent to the point of getting in a crouching lk, so this ultra will definately be landing often. But you’re going to have to be offensive to land it, which entails taking some risks, which entails more action and fun:)
That said, I don’t know for sure if it will make her overpowered. I think the damage on the second ultra is kind of small, similar to Ryu’s ultra. My guess is that she’s going to stay high middle tier or move up to low top tier. It’s hard to say though… That ultra is just so easy to land… She just might become top tier.
I think your taking what I said too literal, more or less the wrong way. When I mean random im not saying that people win games at random, be serious, everyone knows you can’t do that all the time. What im saying is sometimes shit happens in the middle of a match that can be unpredictable no matter how much you prepare, it’s not always a technical error or a mistake by the player it’s just the way the game is, kind of like life and you have to just say ok, whatever we’ll try again. Im not saying SF is so random that it’s impossible for someone to win. In the case of my post im saying sometimes no matter how powerful or weak Chun Li will be, there will aways be something that can’t be computed.
You don’t have to jump to daigo’s rescue, no one here is dissing him, im just saying even champs run into unforseen problems, it does’nt make him a bad player it just means that shit happens. Maybe it was his fault, maybe it wasn’t. It’s a computer programmed game designed by human beings regardless of intelligence who are not perfect. None of us are. So no matter how balance you make a game, no amount of preperation is gonna prepare you for the quirks you may run into regardless of how much frame data you study or how many combos you can link. Sometimes, shit happens. Thats all im saying and mean no offense to him or anyone else.
I don’t mean to get preachy but it seemed like you thought I was discrediting Daigo which I am not. I have much respect for him.
I still don’t see many newcomers sticking with Chun for very long even with her easy hit confirms into Kikosho since she will most likely still have a limited AA game and overall low damage output. Many are sure to go back to playing as characters with more reliable dragon punches and Mexican uppercuts.
If anything her situation will be like Rufus who is top tier in SF4 and has many different ways he can combo into Ultra1 but his difficult BnBs keep most newcomers from even touching him.
