The Real Bout FF Special Thread: RANGE Line Shift Counter Chart Part I up!

Current Fighting Games Fighting Game Discussion
81

You make very good points…esp about the Break Shotting…like for example people that think Mai is tops just because of the multifan…PLEASE :confused:…if all you do with Mai is whore multifan as someone that now knows the ins and outs of her…

I can truthfully say you are an Amateur Mai…she has soooooooooo much more to offer…

And she can build meter very very well!!!

#**1-**For example, it only takes 5 whiffed Ryuenbus to build H Power, and it recovers very fast!

Heres even better…

#2- I land one of my MAIN target comboes with Mai and my meter is already HALF FULL!!!

:wtf: :devil:

So for me if I cant use the throw mixup into S power or HCF+C with Mai, I will do ryuenbus post knock down to build meter, to which you must tech and use your meter just to tech and try and punish me!

So combine nailing my target comboes with Mai and whiffing RyuenBus and I can almost have meter when I please!!!

Even better than that???

#3-Even BLOCKED my target combo STILL BUILDS HALF METER!!

:rock:

So you gotta use meter for Break Shotting just to stop me from BUILDING METER…yeah thats right…and by the way, blocking/interrupting my target combo!

#4- My target combo can be SWITCHED to go low whenever I want and still finish!

-Dark Geese

82

Also in addition I just tested one of my Mai corner traps and *not even the CPU can jump out of it *if I do it right…CPU is locked in the trap pretty much…

Added more reasons why Mai is top tier!

Joe vs. the S Class:

Joe vs. Sokaku:
-Joes Top+C beats Sokaku’s Bottom+C.
-Joes Top+C beats Sokakus Bottom Down+C.
-Joes Bottom+C beats Sokaku’s Top+C.
-Joes Bottom+C beats Sokakus Top Down +C.

All Sokakus major Line Shifts get beaten by Joes! Sokaku wins this fight overall due to the other tools at his disposal, but it aint gonna be in the Line Shift unless hes using Josh’s Sokaku Unblockable to slow things down a bit, but even then a simple hop and punish will make Sokaku think twice about using that! This matchup is much closer than people would think…Joe can go head to toe with Sokaku! Joe’s got some very, very potent Line Shift attacks guys!!!

Joe vs. Kim:
-Joe’s Top+C beats Kims Bottom+C!
-Joe’s Bottom+C beats Kims Top+C!
-Joe’s Top and Bottom+C beat Kims Top and Bottom Down+C!

Once again Joe’s Line Shifts overpower another top tier person! I am starting to wonder if Joe is borderline top tier himself…hes buff as hell!!! Joe can certainly win this matchup as hes better than Kim in all three planes!!! :wow:

Joe vs. Mai:
-Mai’s Bottom+C beats Joes Top+C!!!
-Joes Bottom+C beats Mais Top+C!
-Joes Bottom+C and Mais Top+C TRADE!
-Mai’s Bottom+C Beats Joes Top Down+C.

Mais Line Shift attacks are better here, with the main advantage as I’ve said before being her Bottom+C being her best Line Shift attack and one of the best in the game HANDS DOWN. (Top 3 at least I think top two) Joe can fight against her well…but I give the edge to Mai due to Line Shift attacks!

Joe vs. Billy:
-Joes Top+C beats Billys Bottom+C! :wow:
-Billys Top+C beats Joe’s Bottom+C.
-Theres two phases to Joes Bottom Down+C vs. Billys Top+C.
Phase #1- Not in close range Billys Top+C beats Joes Bottom Down+C.
Phase #2- In Close range, Joes Bottom Down+C beats Billys Top+C!!!
-Joes Top+C beats Billy Top Down+C!!

Joe surprisingly :wow: wins this battle in the Line Shift vs. Billy!!!
This battle could be even though due to Billys strength in the main plane I give the edge slightly to Billy.

All this to me suggests Joe is borderline if not Top tier! And now for the end…

Joe vs. Krauser:
-As I suspected, Joes Top and Bottom+C beat ALL Krausers Line Shift attacks! (No surprise :rofl: :rofl: :lol: )

Unless someone can argue against me, I have some good evidence for the time being to put Joe as Top tier…
Meaning now we have-

  1. Billy
  2. Sokaku
  3. Mai
  4. Joe
  5. Kim

Also what Musolini was talking about on page 2 about Joe is true…after his df+C throw you can land an B button tiger Kick! Good damage almost a full bar if all 9 hits of the throw land and the tiger kick! What may hurt Joe is I am having a hard time finding out how to combo into his S or P Power! :sweat:

P.S. Also everyone remember that every country has different tiers…so what may be top tier in our country may not be in another… (EX Mary tops in Japan like the supreme said)

-Dark Geese

83

I wonder how you found that out sir?!?!?!?:rolleyes::wink::wgrin::wgrin::karate::karate::rock::karate:

84

I found out how to combo into Joe’s P Power but not quite his S-

To combo into his P Power you gotta do cr.bx2 df+C…then immediately do his P Power.

Larry- I’ve already countered his arguments…he’s gonna have quite the explaining to do to counter what I’ve said…

I’ll be waiting.

EDIT- When Joe has P-Power in the corner he has a nasty mixup-

Df+C throw into tiger kick, or cr.bx2 to df+C to P Power!!

85

:rofl::rofl::looney::looney: at that list! Just have my money ready sir!:wgrin::karate: I’m going to teach alot of people the correct way to play rbs online on that 2df client! I don’t talk about how or what is top tier I show it and that’s why josh made that statement about krauser!:karate: You can study all you want, but the shit I do you won’t see on a combo vid, unless someone records me playing!

P.S. don’t anyone record any of my matches damnit!:annoy: It doesn’t matter because I suck at snk game anyways.:rolleyes::sweat:

86

Dont record the matches lol…okay sure no prob. I still am going to wait for someone to counter my argument about Krauser…I’ve put up some solid evidence that pretty much counters everything thats been said…

I said again the reason Krauser is A class is because the S Class keeps him OUT of S class lol.

Hes got a good Main plane game and as I see a solid Line Shift plane game against others EXCEPT the S Class, but as my specialty has been focusing on the top tiers, Krausers Line Shifting doesnt do SHIT against the top tiers…

So hes weak in that regard…pure ownage…I will be glad to demonstrate this in person too…

Tap a button and watch it get beaten pretty much… (In Line Shifting)

I will show you in person why Mai is top tier…you havent played the right one yet…whoring multifan is scrubby if they are just doing that…

:lol: :rofl: :rofl:

You see that list of 16 things up there Mai has at her disposal?? AN EXPERT MAI (Key is expert…not average, not beginner, not one that just whores multifan, none of those! :sweat: ) will throw all that at you…so get ready…that’s what you’re up against…

Plus you play Krauser and Tung?? This shit is gonna be fun…that’s a free throw into S power or HCF+C FREE bud against those two characters… :devil: :badboy: (I got the list memorized)

I put my shit up there because I want to see someone come out and do better…I look forward to our showdown… :china:

-Dark Geese

87

why don’t u just hop on 2df and actually play some people… you could be playing him now… i just did and i got raped hahaha

seriously takes like 5 mins to set up… and close to no lag

88

oh ya i don’t think mai’s hcf+C is safe, i was in throw range against krauser on block every time but against tung i was fine

and that qcb c move is terrible on block because most if not all of the parts (except the last hit) are not safe and on top of that it is easy to breakshot

89

GG’s sir! Let him keep thinking she is top tier. I think it’s more that he is good with mai. Not that mai is top tier, but dg is top tier with her.:wink:

90

Are line shifts really that important in this game? Can you not…idk…jump straight up and attack to counter them? Or block them, then breakshift during the block string? Because if they aren’t, then I’m sure Krauser could be top tier; seeing as how the only argument thrown up so far is how he doesn’t have good line shift attacks.

91

Thats why you finish it ALWAYS…the last hit is safe…The others are not…

Never do the move unless you finish it…thats a rule of thumb in regards to Mai’s hcb+C…
Also you all are just figuring out something I been known for a while…breakshot hcb+C always

But like I say if your entire strategy revolves around hcb+C…you’re fucked in the ass from the getgo…

I’ll show you at MWC how 2 push your Mai into her full potential…shes more than about HCB+C thats beginner level stuff really it is…the more I play her the more I realize to abuse that all the time is hella scrubby…You also gotta watch your opponents H Power…thats when they will try to BreakShot…

And hcf+C may be safe on a few people…haven’t tested if it is against everyone…something I will do in the future…

92

Line Shifts are important but all you gotta do is jump to avoid them and use the other things I’ve said to avoid them also…

Against people like Mai, Billy, Kim, Joe, Sokaku, if they sit in the other planes its pretty hard for Krauser to do much to punish it… Even if he jumps he cant jump and punish…most if not all line shift attacks recover quicker than a hop in the other plane…

Very hard…hes just gotta turtle and Breakshot when he has the opportunity…

What I call Delayed Breakshotting…it seems some of you are discovering this now…

As I say there are ways around almost everything in this game…including Mai’s hcb+C…if your strategy revolves around it you will lose to an expert… all it is to it.

93

I breakshot that move all day long during the end sir!:karate: Ask the guy if i’m lying! Am I telling lies on this thread or am I legit syxx573?

94

Spootz: If you jump over a line shift attack, you cannot attack yourself. And the line shift C attacks (which are about all anyone ever uses) keep the opponent on the opposite plane anyway.

Your best solution is to try to rush the opponent down and stay on top of him so he can’t escape into the background. If they manage to do so, then you just have to hit them or block their attack.

Geese, thanks for the work on Joe! Yeah, his S-Power is impossible to combo in this game, but the P-Power combos from any of his chains into the d/f+C launcher. Not to mention it’s such a great move outside of combos: Eats projectiles or anything else, impossible to jump over, and safe on block!

However, I have a major point to bring up: I think the way you test line shift attacks is highly flawed.

You’re having both characters attack at the same time, correct? What this tests is the speed of the line shift attacks, and nothing more. See, after playing this game more, I’m very sure that all line shift attacks have equal priority - it is speed & range that determine who wins.

And the speed difference never seems to be more than a few frames, so range is far and away the more important factor. This is why Billy & EX Billy are clearly the best, and it is also why Mai & EX Mary are underdogs against the high tier.

And Krauser’s line shift attacks have huge range. He & Laurence are the best at this after Billy, AFAIK, and this is why I have come to agree with Larry that both of these characters are easily above Mai or EX Mary. Probably better than Joe, as well - his range isn’t great either.

See, I was wrong about the line shift game in RBS. It’s not really a mixup so much as it is a simplified SF footsie game. And that’s why some of us think your tiers are off - you haven’t gotten to play anyone good in this yet, and thus haven’t had to look at the game correctly.

-Josh

95

no lies

to be honest DG I don’t really care too much about this game, but i might learn some stuff, i just wanted to play against shinblanka a little bit

96

Thank you josh for seeing the light sir! Kim is better than them hoes also. I don’t count ex characters because they are secret character that need a code to play with. Even though ex tung is the worst in the game and ex mary has some good tricks but once you play against her you see it coming a mile away. She is kinda like oro in 3s. Not in moves, but in strange gameplay that will get you if you never seen it before. Josh has a very good ex mary, so I know 1st hand what that hoe can do.:sweat::sweat::looney:

I think the tier list is as followed:

EXAndy
billy
EX billy
sokaku
kim

without EX characters

  1. Billy
  2. Sokaku
  3. Kim
  4. Duck King
  5. Yama
  6. Krauser

worst character in RBS is ex tung by far!:wasted::wasted::annoy:

Why do you guys want to use the secret snk characters all the time? I’ve never understood this with the younger snk players. The reason snk usually makes codes characters is for casual play only. They aren’t meant for tournament play imo. Even though these are some of the weakest code characters snk ever made with ex tung being the worst character in the game. To each it’s own I guess. Now if we could get dg online to play some rbs I wouldn’t have to argue my points in a thread. I could just show him. I still think it’s more of dg being great with mai, than it is mai is a great character in rbs!

97

But see Josh what I have said as a footnote about the Line Shift attacks is that it is assuming that the attacks all come out the same time…sure Krausers has range I know this firsthand…but once I get in on him I command his attacks with my interior Line Shift…

Also about Billy as I said before all I gotta do is jump over your line shift attacks and I am in on you…the CPU does all this stuff you all mention all the time…

The thing is getting in on the line shifts then the stuff I speak takes precedent…

But if you do not know how to defend or get in on the line shift attacks then there’s a big problem…

Mai still when she is in close range of him owns his line shift attacks (Krauser’s) serious…

I will defend that to the end…no Krauser has ever given my Mai a problem…

Also let me correct you on something- The Line Shift attacks do NOT keep you in the opposite plane…

If you block it or it hits you…either way you are going to be in the same plane as that person…ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS!!

Also Josh as far as closing in on the range for Krauser…all I gotta do with Mai is Top or Bottom Down+C…case closed… (same vs. Kim etc)

Or if I am in Bottom Plane…unless I am on the outskirts of Billys range…I WIN PERIOD…

esp. vs. Krauser…

98

I understand what you all are talking about…and maybe I am just excellent with Mai…maybe that is the case…because I believe I can beat ANYONE with my Mai…I’ve put enough work into her to that if I touch you once you are losing a bar of health…and if you are Krauser or some others…you can die off a throw…

Also Krausers yes does have the range…but his startup is so slow its a double edged sword…if I am anywhere within striking range or close proximity and he does his line shifts…because the speed I would say is not so fast, MINE WINS WITH MAI!

I still also dont think you all know how to play her correctly!!!

People are still learning this game…or dont know how to play it…thus I am skeptical how people are playing with Mai…

Also at the tournaments I am holding I aint allowing EX characters…

Keep discussin I am enjoying this!

-Dark Geese

99

I know how to play. I played this game before it was in the usa when ninja matt bought it for his neogeocart system. I’m afriad you may not know the TRUE way to play rbs.:sweat::rolleyes::sweat: we will see sir. I await your challenge warrior!:karate::rock::rock::karate: I think after mwc you will play rbs a totally different way! Because if josh and drn go I think they will be fighting for the top spot with you. Nocturnal has a nasty yama and I think he is going to mwc also. You better train hard on lvl12 computer sir, because they are trainning on 2df almost everyday in multiple snk games!

Those mexicans you have been playing against suck at rbs! I played a guy in brazil that was trying to talk shit in broken english. He was like “americans dont no how to play” after he won 1 game! Then i whoop that ass 10 straight and was like" You no how to play" lol just to fuck with him. All with kim. Tung is my fun character now. I know he is low tier, but I think i can win with him against anyone. The same goes for you and mai.

Well what about a 1st to 5 for $50 with mai vs my krauser after mai vs my tung for $50. what do you say Lukus?

100

I’ll take that bet…Are you going to be at MWC? My budget is gonna be tight at MWC so we can do it at EVO World. Oh I know the people I was playing in RBS arent good…:rofl:

When I say I dont think people know how to play its in regards to Mai…from what I am hearing it seems people are just abusing the multifan with Mai and that’s **NOT how you play her!!! ** (It screams SCRUB!!!) :annoy: :sweat:

The Level 12 CPU doesnt give me problems anymore…it does the stuff you all mention…esp with Billy and Krauser…trying to attack me from a distance…doesnt work…I close in on them quick and then esp. vs. Krauser its over…

Trust me I fear no one in ANY SNK game…be it RBS or whatever…

I’m gunning for 1st in RBS no exceptions!!! Also I have played DRN before remember that!!! (NEC8) Also I expect people to bring it because you all know I’m gonna bring it!!!

-Dark Geese