absolutely gummowned! i think i was picturing something similar to that in my head when i wrote about the QDs haha. i think that is probably the best and most cost effective solution to the razer’s QD that only works for sanwa. It would be even nicer if it had a little rubber sleeve over it as well.
well, in the united states im pretty sure xbox is the more prevalent console, and also take it from any modder and tournament goer , it is 300% easier and cheaper to dual mod from xbox to support ps3 than from ps3 to xbox. But this does affect the “home” or “casual” market of players who will just play on their own consoles at home.
also, im very aware that happ/il dont have a huge market but there IS a market, and one that literally no other company has touched.
as you can see, with literally a simple addition of a few more holes on the main mounting plate it would be SUPER EASY to add happ support
Also, japanese buttons require 30mm holes and happ/il require 28mm. job is already done, it automatically supports happ/il. 28mm DOES fit into 30mm.
i really dont think my statement was to try and promote razer market primarily to american parts, cause if thats what you read then you missed my point.
Only 4 holes are required to add happ stick support, and 4 more to make it even crown compatible. i really dont think thats asking much do you? the low cost/potential high benefit seems like a good idea to me.
I keep getting the feeling Razer won’t do anything really meaningful to differentiate its product from what’s already out there… They should take a look at Madcatz - and Hori and Qanba 
- and improve upon existing offers, not deliver a product that has less relevance - I’m looking at you, Seimitsu support.
When I see the finished product, I hope the feature list actually cares to attempt to convince me it’s not just yet another industrial-grade full-Sanwa Arcade controller. We don’t need Razer for this, with all due respect. Soundly making up for the lack of multi-platform support (as it seems it can’t be helped) alone is something the Razer guys should go wildly crazy over.
Very easily removable stick, stick top, “Hitbox” support (a hybrid controller :D)… These are ideas that keep coming to mind. LEDs activated by button presses would attract people too, I think.
Here’s hoping for Razer to make a strong impact in the Arcade market… I love my Naga.
PS: I don’t really use Seimitsu, BTW, as I found my button input comes out very slightly later if I use Seimitsu buttons in my HRAP2. It’s quite possibly strictly a personal quirk, but, still, failing at simple tech throws in SSF4 at a local tournament once made me sad… Nevertheless, I value room for experimenting with different Arcade parts.
Put the new Seimitsu PSL-M30-12W2 in a stick, and we’ll talk.
Just make a cool looking case design with 6-button layout because this is called a Razer “Arcade” stick, not a home console 8-button stick. A common ground PCB WOULD be nice, but make it harder to dual mod. I don’t care, I’ll do it anyway! Also, make those nasty trays removable. No one really bothers to store that stuff. The removable cable is a nice touch though. I’m pretty sure it’s been said already anyway. I wanted to keep it up on this page too =)
Anyone know when the acceptances will start going out?
I see a lot of TE’s with Seimitsu buttons here. I use Sanwa, but I still feel a need to appeal to the minority. I have an even better question for you. Why bother with simple quick disconnects when the average user will never replace the buttons? EXACTLY, it was meant as a gesture toward the modding crowd, they had the option to save a few cents and solder them on. They didn’t have to make the top open up, the average user won’t care. They just want a stick that works.
Would Bill Gates have gotten where he has today if his product didn’t appeal to the minorities? Every year microsoft pumps a large portion of code into the development of the Linux kernel to promote interoperability in office buildings between PC’s, Workstations, and Servers. If they didn’t appeal to this small crowd, they would lose billions every year to Linux based OS’s such as Fedora and Debian.
In the long run it doesn’t look like much, but if I can buy a stick for the same price that is easier to put the products I want in, I would buy the other stick, even if this one has cool features. Would you buy a car that ran on biofuel because it was better for the environment but difficult during road trips due to a lack of sources or one that ran on gasoline. Maybe you want the gasoline, but there are a few people that will only buy the car because it can run on biofuel, so the manufacturer goes out of their way to be able to make cars run on both, and your car will sell more as it now appeals to more people. It is the basic concept to please as many people as possible and upset only the smallest minority of people, now, the smallest number of people is actually probably korean button users(sorry Laugh) so the button holes are too large to hold them, but because of this they accommodate the more popular Japanese buttons.
In business just because there is a minority doesn’t mean you have to cater to them. A happy customer will always recommend friends, now that one person may have earned you 5 other customers, then you may receive more from them. The majority is important, but will they buy a product? You need people to tell them to buy it, and in that regard the minority is just as important as everyone else. I don’t even fall in this minority(I play on Sanwa parts), but I still feel the need to appeal to them.
Can we get a slow clap going for this guy?
I actually dont like QDs very much. they are harder to work with than they sound (but still a lot better than soldering). too loose and they fall off, too tight and they are hard to remove or a bit of a hassle to put on. Not to mention when i first started modding it forced me to buy more QDs, a crimper, etc (which would not be desirable for the average consumer who just wants to change parts)
That being said, i completely agree with you that the button harness would be amazing for ease of access but that doesn’t mean you should ignore its flaws, because you have to admit single compatibility with only sanwa is a bit of a flaw
Why is it necessary to pick between two POISONS? why not drink soda instead? If we can both admit that neither solution is ideal then we should THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX and look for an alternative solution that has the best of both worlds. Lets stop thinking “herp derp these are the only solutions available so lets fight over it”
This is why i liked gummowned’s post so much, he is posting/looking for alternative solutions for the qd/button harness problem rather than starting a flame war.
Yea. It’s going to come down to what it costs to implement. If it costs them basically nothing, but the change would open the product to a wider audience without alienating anyone, they’ll do it in a heartbeat. That’s why all these sticks have turbo on them. Doesn’t really appeal to us, as fighting game players, but to a guy building a mame setup, he’ll get a stick with turbo apposed to one without, and turbo won’t stop us from buying it.
I also do think modders have a big impact on what sticks the scene buys. Who told eveyone the TE was a great stick? That started here in Tech Talk. If someone is about to purchase a stick and is going to want to dual mod it, and asks you what they should buy, you tell them a 360 TE stick, right? Because that’s a lot easier for you to mod than, like, an old style hrap. For an average dude, yea, modders have no relevance, but the people here do influence the sticks used by the actual fighting game scene. That’s got to be a huge slice of their pie. Arcade sticks themselves aren’t really for the “average guy” anyway. Anyone spending 150 bucks on a controller for one type of game is pretty serious already.
i think that the modding scene is so much bigger than it even was before the te came out, it’s got to be a consideration. maybe it’s just because i am a modder and builder, but i don’t know anyone with a stick that hasn’t been modified in one way or another. even when i travel and play, it seems that every crew has a guy who does some kind of mods for them. and especially since there’s no way to legally make it ps3/360 out of the box, it needs to come with a very simple way to throw a mcc in there.
After reading the article, I am definitely liking the direction they are going with the Razer Arcade stick.
http://fightersfury.net/fighters-fury-interviews-razer-about-their-fightsticks/
I especially dig the redesigns that they implemented such as re-arrangable PCB and parts trays. Still not digging the quick disconnects not being Seimitsu Compatible.
http://fightersfury.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Advanced-Beta-Test-Unit-Exploded.jpg
Oh wow.
I’m impressed, seems like they’ve been listening to us and making compromises.
So many unnecessary features in there to help jack up that razor premium. I expect this to hit the market at no less than $200
I like that honeycomb. Shit looks dope and adds texture. The green wires though… I understand the brand solidarity, but they gotta be labeled somehow.
The increased height should be useful for more obscure sticks. Would that be enough height to fit something like a HAPP/iL stick (I don’t know their sub-surface depths)?
Still not liking those Sanwa only custom button connectors.
Didn’t the article say that the buttons are easy enough to swap out though?
I guess that could just refer to the stick though.
No one in their right mind would pay that for something they could get for $75 less from Madcatz. Razer’s not going to price themselves out of making bank.
I don’t know how much you may know about how Razer prices their products, but people will buy that stuff for whatever they set it to because of the Razer premium. $80 mice, $120 keyboards, $200 headphones, people will get it.
I just don’t see how that will fly in the FGC. You can order a $200 stick from Laugh that’s dual modded out of the box. The only thing that people are going to want the Razer for that they could potentially mark up for is the honeycomb for extra PCBs.
I don’t see that driving the price up $75 more expensive than the TE. $130? $150? Maybe, I could see that being more reasonable. $200? GTFO.