The Razer Arcade Stick Thread!

rtdzign · September 18, 2011, 12:38am

I lol if they have a conference meeting and that picture is actually on a projector in that office

jdm714 · September 18, 2011, 1:11am

The whole Page 4 got Delete.
I don’t know why or what, but I have recovered them.

I agree with everything you just said rtdzign, except for moving the main pcb to the front. What i’d prefer instead is a board similar to the distribution block on the TE’s, attached to the inside of the top panel, for the buttons and sticks to connect to, and a single large ribbon cable from there to the main pcb. Wiring would be TONS neater and shorter, and if they could be convinced to include a power line as well in the ribbon, would make an after market LED controller a breeze to make and install.

The front spot for the buttons and other accessories should be a large empty box, similar to that cord storage compartment. Make a removable insert if you want specifically for buttons and bat top if you want, but making the spots for buttons and battop a non-removable part of the case is a mistake, since I think you’ll see 80% of these at tournament used for holding Link tops.

I actually prefer the feel of Seimitsu to Sanwa so clear Sanwa’s don’t make much of a difference to me.

I like the idea of the single plug QD’s in reality it would be better (for modding) if they could be separated. I prefer Seimitsu buttons and if I cant have them without having to void the warranty it might be a deal breaker.

They seriously need a terminal strip for the cabling as well as either color coded cables or clear markings on each cable set because I know most people will want to change the buttons to match the T.E. layout first thing.

The button and bat top holders are cool but what do you do with the ball top if you decide to use the bat top? I’ll take a compartment with a removable insert over that fixed insert like Toodles said for things like different gates, the link or secondary cables ie PS2, USB etc.

A 24mm hole for the NAUSB or other USB A to B connection would be much better than the standard USB A they have there now. I’d like to see something like a 360 break away cable with a locking mechanism built in, or just give us enough room to drill our own hole so we can install the RJ45 jack for muti console mods. I know for a fact the USB A will wiggle loose and will be a huge problem for them down the road. A removable cable is awesome but needs to be done right.

I just wonder how sturdy the sandwich construction for the top is? it looks like a plastic frame (I’d prefer metal) with a metal mounting plate and a plexi top to protect the art. That’s something I want to put to the test If they make other button layouts in a Metal Panel\Plexi set that would be a nice feature as long as they aren’t too expensive. I’m sure if they don’t our guys will be all over that Art templates, metal panels and plexi are our specialty.

I like the 2 buttons on the side but just not for the Back and Start buttons. I’d move those to the back of the stick and include an extra 24mm hole if one wasn’t already there for the USB. I’d make the side buttons 2 30mm with removable plugs in the side so you can have a proper 6 on top 2 on the side setup Or if you want 8 on top but at least we wouldn’t have to void the warranty either way.

The bottom of the stick seems to be covered in a rubber grip something I actually like. It would be cool if it had a window on the bottom but it’s not necessary since the top pops open so easily. I just hope the stick has enough metal to weight it down. A metal bottom plate would be awesome.

I wonder what the stick would look like with Wooden side trim?

Am I the only one who doesn’t mind the 8 button layout? It’s not a deal breaker for me, but there are definitely tourney players who benefit from those end buttons cough viper players cough

I agree with Toodles though, main PCB at the top is just fine, but if there’s one thing they take from the TE design it absolutely should be the QD terminal strip (and yeah, somewhere close to the buttons would remove a huge bird’s nest). Also, the long compartment to hold whateverthehell they want is the way to go. Giving specific inserts limits users, and if they want they can just make it a 1 partition design and sell specific inserts to customers who want specific things like spare button holders.

Trying to think of things not touched on though… hmm… to make modders happy as well as the general population, what about the compartment having removable front partitions? That way you can just make the compartment completely open for things like mounting PCBs, but if you don’t care to do that just keep the partition there to use the space as storage?

Whats with everyone wanting to do 6 buttons with 2 on the side as a work around?

You want 6 buttons fine, patch up the 2 button holes and move on. You want buttons on the side fine, use a drill. Even with a hand held power drill this isn’t hard.

The old inside joke of 6 buttons cool 8 buttons is dick is getting old and sickining.

Look the Mad Catz SE and TE are 8 buttons, the Hori real arcade 1,2,3, EX, VX, V3 and VLX are 8 Buttons, the Sega VSHG, HSS-130 and HSS-136 come in 8 buttons. Just fricking live with it people. It is why they make button hole plugs and people make top panel replacements.

Some of us wants the 8 buttons.

Next person that speaks of 6 buttons I going to take as a troll.

Whoa, I didn’t mean to push anyone’s buttons. I was just offering a suggestion to the overall customization abilities of the stick. I wasn’t arguing that six buttons is better than eight or vice versa. To each there own, I say. I just figured it’d be nice to have the option of having whatever layout you want right out of the box with having to do minimal work to get there.

rtdzign · September 18, 2011, 1:16am

Nice work. I wonder what happened.

Futurespect · September 18, 2011, 2:43am

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Kyle · September 18, 2011, 3:44am

Something got seriously glitchy there (I blame Xenforo more than Razer). Many of even my own posts were showing as deleted. They should be restored now. What a pain. Let me know if it’s still bugged out.

jdm714 · September 18, 2011, 3:56am

No you can’t.
Because the VSHG is 6-button.
Show me a picture of one that came 8-button.

jdm714 · September 18, 2011, 4:03am

Kyle, so after I did my own restore, you break my heart with your restore. :sad:
You even restored Post of RoboKrikit that he mis-post in.
Post in this Thread, delete, post in BUTTHOLE.
Laugh.

Kyle · September 18, 2011, 4:18am

Haha, it took me like 10 mins to restore all of that. Robo is gone again. I’m still not convinced Xenforo is less buggy than the old VB.

the.fapist · September 18, 2011, 4:28am

Why does it seem like people only play Fighters with sticks? I’m pretty sure many others enjoy some castle crashers with their sticks, and the option for the last 2 buttons on the side would make playing the game absolutely terrible.

jdm714 · September 18, 2011, 4:35am

Maybe they have other Arcade Sticks to use for Castle Crashers.
I don’t know how many people would be buying the Razer Arcade Stick as their first Arcade Stick.

the.fapist · September 18, 2011, 6:26am

I actually think it’ll be alot of people’s firsts cause of the razer branding. Many people still think madcatz still can’t make a product worth buying, but not many think that about razer. And i got a feeling that not everybody has the budget for multiple arcade sticks.

Darksakul · September 18, 2011, 7:25am

I was comparing the Quality of the VLX to the VSHG not the button count.
I said they are both upper end sticks in terms of quality and cost.

Who cares, How many of you are all going to mod there sticks any ways to what they want?

TRiXWoN · September 18, 2011, 8:48am

I think as is (for what we know so far) this stick has a lot going for it. Supposedly changeable top panels coming (not sure if this is 2 pieces or if 2 pieces are just an option, easy access top panel, and removable usb cable.

IMO
Change QD to accommodate Seimitsu, change stick harness to correct one, include a 15ft or longer usb cable, and leave room for addons.

People who want 6 buttons could do so with a new top panel or plug the holes. The bottom line is a lot of people got introduced to having a stick at home because of madcatz and all of those sticks are 8 buttons.

I’d like to see weight options, some people like a heavier stick. There are lots of mice that do this just include some clips around the edges to put in weights we could purchase.

A linkable side panel would be nice, something with a nice spacer between 2 sticks so you could create a 2 player control panel of sorts. This would help a lot for those people who have the TE Kraylix machines or other home arcade setups. Also selling a full size top panel that spanned the 2 linked sticks so it looks like one piece from the top would be awesome.

A backlit space for arcade move lists would be cool, just supply a template for photoshop or gimp with the stick.

RosserRooster · September 18, 2011, 8:48am

I do
I would prefer something that that I don’t have to do vast amount of heavy mods to i.e get new panel made for six buttons

jdm714 · September 18, 2011, 9:45am

Weird way you are comparing it here.

I guess saying the VSHG having 8-buttons somehow compares the quality and cost.

NotANoob81 · September 18, 2011, 3:41pm

I guess the Madcatz TE sticks are the new standard, since Razer has borrowed so heavily from them in the design of this new stick? I forget what edition the Madcatz stick is that has the slim sides and full plexi, but it was on of the most uninspired looking retail sticks I’ve seen. Way to pick that as a basis.

New Razer’s Failures
[LIST]
[]Look too much like a Madcatz product. –Wish it looked like a VLX and VSHG love child.
[]USB A case mount. –USB B more common.
[]Bat top holder. –Balltop is the standard for a reason.
[]Plastic control panel. –Feels cheap and not arcade correct.
[]Plastic bottom? –May make it too lightweight
[]Non-standard button and stick connectors.* --Limits options but no biggie, I can change it. *
[]8-button layout. --I prefer 6-button, but I’m fine with 8 if they include button plugs.*
[/LIST]
New Razer’s Successes

[LIST]
[]Understated art.
[]Stainless panel fasteners –Maybe.
[]Hinged access to insides.
[]Cord storage is always good.
[*]Sanwa parts.
[/LIST]
I definitely signed up to be a tester.

RosserRooster · September 18, 2011, 7:31pm

The top and bottom panel are not plastic stop putting out false info

Darksakul · September 18, 2011, 7:56pm

Roosser Rooster is right, the Panels are Metal, more specifically Steel with a layer of plexi on top

Opinion and not facts
*Look too much like a Madcatz product - Not to me
*USB A case mount. *- *USB B more common - Nope, the most common feture in arcade stick is non-removable cords.
*Bat top holder. --Balltop is the standard for a reason. - Incorrect Ball tops were more common in Japan, US machines are traditionally bat top. Only reason more Ball tops are used now is because of the acceptance of Japanese parts where ball top is stock.

Non-standard button and stick connectors - Define Standard Connectors. Razer using a similar wiring harness to there joystick as there competitors. Very few manufacturers use the official Sanwa or Seimtsu wire harness. As for the Button disconnects I might agree I wish they were different but they are made for Sanwa buttons.

Also guys lets fricking drop the 6 / 8 button issue. Seriously The mass majority of Razer customers are going to want there god dammed LT and LB (or what ever buttons are going to be cut out). We at Teck Talk are a tech savy minority in many ways, most people who actually buy a arcade stick think they are called fight sticks and do not even know what the USB cord is called.

d3v · September 18, 2011, 8:04pm

When mod friendliness is supposedly one of the selling points of the stick in question, then this is a major issue. Especially when your two main competitors don’t have the same issue.

eightballah · September 18, 2011, 8:24pm

Everybody here likes 6-buttons, because it looks better. I sure do. I use a 6-button stick!

However:

8 buttons(on the face) doesn’t give up anything, and your average player uses 3P/3K buttons now.

That is the fact of the matter. The kind of people who are 6-button purists aren’t going to be buying this stick anyways. I really feel like Tech Talk is being disingenuous here. Razer would be really stupid to make this a 6-button (on the face) stick.