it would be nice if we could eventually get those match up boxes in the front of the forum filled in a bit more
im sure whoever would control that, renegade?, is pretty busy and all that information may not be available for every character.
but, i think sim is the only one filled in and thats a sad site to see. is there anyway we could change that? im sure there is plenty of good advice thrown around the rose forum for match ups. i can help search through them and then we can get it all complied in one place for new people and itād help me cuz i forget things all the time for all the 34 characters. even if its basic stuff i think we should still have it there for everyone to make the rose forum a little bit better.
Ive been really annoyed by fei longs lately, whats the frame data on a blocked chicken wing? I always end up back dashing after because im lost when they actually do it. I tend to conserve my pokes a little more because i just get rekkaād all the time.
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but:
Iām not sure if I can agree with Rose/Guile being in her advantage. I know you can deal with his booms with reflect/absorb/focus, but doing the damage to him is kinda difficult, especially when he manages to get up in your face.
And is the Sagat matchup really even? I find it difficult once he starts mixing up his tiger shot speeds.
i disagree with the guile matchup i think his improved boom gives rose lots of troubles. and im pretty sure most of his normals are better than roses. i dont know personally i have all kinds of trouble against a lot of good guiles in super.
as for sagatā¦meh hes just a shell of his former self. rose can still control the fbs with her reflects and get in on sagat sliding under any high shots i just dont have the trouble getting in sagats face and getting to safety like i use to in vanilla
other than that i think rose honda should be at least 4.5 maybe even 5-5. i just cant see how honda can get in on rose that easy. his jump is bad, fbs stop his headbutt, and hes slow, how else does he get in on rose if you just zone him out with fbs and drills? but i dunno maybe not? i just see fei honda is 6-4 so how does fei have the tools to beat him but not rose?
overall its not that bad of a list but i think there are a few match ups that deserve a 2nd look and the overall order of them would probably change in my book. sakura is not the worst in the game, if shes gonna be a D at least have at the top. i mean i think she got hurt the most in super with the damage reduction and damage scaling hurt her enough as it was in vanillla but she still is a very capable character and thats just my input on the whole thing.
Hondaās jump isnāt that bad, its only 1 frame slower than a Shoto. The reason why it says 6-4 Honda is because at mid range, he can jump over your fireballs, and then its bad when hes up in your face. You can only zone him for so long, and you canāt really out-poke him when heās close. But in all honesty, it should be 5-5 for those reasons.
Also, is anyone disagreeing with the Dictator matchup being even? Scissor pressure is too good, and his jump is pretty annoying.
just played 10 ranked matches and went 7-3. whoād i lose to? the same vega 3 god damn times. i dont know what im doing wrong here. but i cant poke, i cant fireball, he really takes me out of my game. and if i get knocked down he just does vegas izuna drop. is there any way to get out of this while youre waking up? i tried ex drill, ex st neither of them would get me out. no time for u2 either.
i did alright as long as i stayed on my feet and got a couple rounds from him so i dont feel awful about the match up, but vega is someone i constantly struggle with. im not sure what attacks he was using against me, i dont play vega, never have and never will play him so i just dont know, but whatever he was doing was beating far mk, cr mk, cr mp, far hk, everything would just get stuffed. im assuming he was just using his cr mp
i feel ssparks are pointless here so i havent been using them much outside of heavy sparks full screen away, i figured he would just wall jump and punish anything else.
vega is one of those characters i feel got a lot better in super and got buffs he didnt need nor deserve, but i gotta deal with it and i need some help guys! how do i put damage on this guy safely?? if i did hit him it would just trade and rose doesnt really get anything out of trading hits. i messaged the guy after the third match gg, and he replied āmuch better matchā so i thought maybe i could get something out of him but all he said was one of my best friends plays a good rose so i just know the matchup.
ive tried to figure this out on my own and tried to find if this has already been talked about anywhere but didnt see anything so maybe someone can help me with this? thanks guys.
If he tries to go for Izuna, Focus Dash. 99% of the time that will beat it.
Donāt try to play the poking game with Vega, heāll win. You have to get inside that range and stay inside it. Once you knock him down, thereās not much he can actually do. The money is to get him to the corner. Get him there, and count your free win as heās useless there. But you canāt play against Vega like you would other matchups, as what is usually your strength, your footsies and pokes, is not as strong in this matchup. He has the fastest walk speed in the game (wellā¦tied for it) and his throw range is just as far as yours I believe.
Get the knockdown, really focus on getting it, the rest should take care of itself, just donāt get caught sleeping.
wait FA dash will get me out of this clean? i dont understand, isnt it a throw? wont he still catch me? does charging focus cause it to whiff? or you just gotta be spot on when you start to charge FA and dash out quickly? if i didnt clarify earlier he does this meaty after a throw.
yeah i guess i did just need to calm down, i watched the matches again and when i finally pinned him in the corner i kinda went crazy trying to finish him then and there and eventually got ex barcelonaād to izuna drop which does like 200 damage or something ridiculous? he pretty much gave me 0 opportunities and i havent gotten the privilege to play such intelligent players very often. this was easily the best vega ive personally played and wish i could get more matches out of him =(
I play against my friend who mains Vega (XBL - windzero7), and he said that Rose is supposed to use Ultra 1. I donāt remember the specifics, but it had something to do with limiting his wall dive options.
thanks guys that vega player eventually did send me a message back pretty much giving me the same pointers you guys have so farā¦now i just gotta find another good vega to practice with rather than facing the army of bison players i just got done fending offā¦
So basically what you are saying is that the only thing going for Rose in this match is Vegas bad wake up. I donāt have a lot of experience against good Vegas but I remember seeing that the Vega Rose matchup was 6-4 in Vegaās favor. Do you guys agree with this?
Itās 5-5. His bad wakeup wouldnāt matter as much if he could keep Rose at bay. He really canātā¦ His pokes are better, but they arenāt as dangerous without meter. Rose will get in, and make his life miserable when she does.
anyone have any advise vs cammy. seems like the bitch can do whatever she wants to me. is there any answer to cannon strike. only thing i can do is make it whiff with backdash and punish with s.mk, but itās still not enough to deter her from going crazy. i just slowly get pushed to the corner and get raped.
