How hard Is it to send in your ballot before the deadline or find a drop box? I don’t remember hearing that all the stuff you mentioned was done at the order of trump but if I twas, it’s shitty. People acting like it’s news that an election is happening and they can’t make some kind of plan to exercise their rights.
I’ve never heard anything about a separate voter ID being needed and unless it was free and available by mail, I doubt anything like that would happen.
I understand the psychology thing because I was poor for a significant portion of my life and had to make due with very little resources, but you have to buck up and do the work. If the only things were doing were 100% convenient, life would be a lot easier but that’s on them, not the system.
The problem with comparisons to 2016 is that the accusations made about election integrity were entirely different in nature than those made in 2020. 2016 was accusations that the integrity of the election was compromised due to disinfo by russians, the question was whether Trump solicited that russian interference or not and he was ultimately never conclusively connected to it in a way that would have changed the results. In 2020 the accusation was that the entire thing was rigged by some group of politicians, mostly democrats, through financial ties to voting tabulation companies that America uses among other means, which like 2016 was not proven due to investigation such as re-counts and verification in contested states.
2016 was saying people were manipulated, 2020 was saying the system was manipulated, it’s definitely more of the government/FECs concern to step in in the case where their security and competency is being directly contested.
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You know they had an election fraud council that trump shut down right
They did their best this election to delegitamize the results
But still lost
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And all 5 found were for Republican votes too.
Trump made an office of election security, the guy Trump appointed said it was the most secure election ever, it was the most watched election with the most observers from both parties ever.
And there some what 60 some cases with 2 SCOTUS cases over the fact, and they all found nothing.
1 Redo with more Dem votes then before and the Republican votes decided to boycott the election.
The only fraud is from Trump. What else you need to look into? And considering it’s Rand Paul, who for GOP crony standards is fucking shady as it gets, wants to do a investigation?
Fuck That Noise.
On Capital Hill? NO ONE.
Exactly. Lets not have someone who Shady as fuck trying to rewrite the rules.
Basically what they found can be summed up as "people are stupid and believed a bunch of Russians shit posting rather than trying to check into things. There was circumstantial evidence of fraud this time but it just that, circumstantial. All that to say, if we want to shore up elections, who do we trust?
Well, the GOP are losers even when they win so that checks out
Everyone who’s in a position to be able to rewrite the rules is probably shady in some way shape or form. So again, given that, who do you trust to rewrite the rules?
No one on the fucking internet…where you find what you want to find for your viewpoint and a simple troll(s) who can control a cult of q followers.
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Agreed. As I’ve said before, I don’t think there’s a way to make our system in general as it currently stands, workable for everyone.
But with that said, ALL our lawmakers come from the same crop of people on the internet. Sleep tight!
Scroll up I already said who.
I dont disagree on that point and I dont think they had a case that could have changed results in 2016. That said, we have no real choice but to trust the people running the elections that it is all being handled securely. Personally when they say things were done right and I see recounts/audits that validate that it’s good enough for me. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some things they couldn’t tell us precisely because it being public might pose an actual risk to election security.
The alternative of course is that we just don’t trust the system here at all in which case we end up in the rabbit hole Trump dragged people into. Although I do trust that system, I support visible, easy to implement measures if they would truly reassure people that things were above board. That just takes us back to square one though of what are those measures, and how practical are they really to implement…
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If it was secure enough, then it’s not impossible. However, I doubt voting electronically from one’s phone would be secure enough, and paper ballots, even in 2020, remain tried and true. Having a physical paper trail is one of the reasons why the 2020 election was so secure. If an irregularity popped up, there’s a paper trail and a physical ballot to reference. This was especially important this election and why the Trump administration’s claims to voter fraud fell flat to any reasonable person. I’m hoping that moving forward, it’s easier across the country to vote. More people voting is good for democracy, but generally bad for the GOP, which is why they want to create so many obstacles on voting. That’s why I said the GOP needs to work on policies instead of scare tactics, culture wars, and voter suppression.
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You mean the guy who trump appointed who works on probably works on capitol hill?
You forgot to mention just blatantly lying but I guess that falls into scare tactics. That’s all they got tho.
Fake fiscal responsibility but only for social issues, and more corporate control is a tough sell
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"And preferably, only men and no women.
And definitely, no black people!
Uh? Black women? What, you mean you can catch both of those things at the same time!?"
I could see it being fairly secure if you could provide biometrics, but then you’d have to make sure everyone has a phone that could handle that and even then, you’d have people that wouldn’t want to give their bio data to the government. I guess that would create a whole different set of issues but I think it could be done and would be worth looking into imo
Both parties do this in some way shape or form, but the first two are why most people vote I’d suspect.“They’re gonna take your guns/abortions” is a better way to get people to the polls than “We’re going to end all these stupid military conflicts we’re in and work on health care.”
IMO if just saying whatever you want counts as policy and everything said is equal value, then I guess “they’re going to take your guns” versus “medicare for all” are policies. The former is just scare tactics while the other is actual physical policy to strive for. Republicans just lost pretty hard because those said policies didn’t work this time. The GOP needs real, physical policies to stride for, rather than be so focused on reactionary politics. That’s what I mean by them standing behind real policies; riling up your single issue voter base might not be enough if things continue this way.
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The right is entirely reactionary and has been for a long time, which is why the left generally wins over the long term.
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