hey mcqueary should be fired too.
both the fuckers are at fault
like the guys a few posts up said, this isnt an either/or situation. theyre both accomplices in my eyes. they both made the same mistake of not calling the police, they are both disgusting.
why are some of you intent on making this about one or the other. no single person is more or less a piece of shit than the other, and niether deserves to be defended
Yeah, and I already responded to him. Here it is again;
But don’t you see how his refusal to do these very simple, obvious acts might cause Paterno to, you know, doubt his story?
Here’s a mere graduate assistant that has made a powerful accusation against an assistant that has worked at PSU with Paterno for 20 years. But yet, despite apparently witnessing a molestation, the assistant did absolutely nothing to stop it.
And despite it obviously being a criminal act, McQueary didn’t go to the police himself.
If I were Paterno, I would be pretty fucking confused and not know what to believe. So what did he do? The very next day, Paterno informed both the athletic director AND university president of the incident. That seems like a reasonable and blameless action to me, no?
So according to you, if someone sees a rape in progress, does nothing to stop it, doesn’t go to the police, but casually mentions it to someone completely unrelated (oh, hell, I don’t know…a football coach!), and the coach immediately passes it on to his superior, he is every bit as liable?
Wow, I sure hope to never see you on a jury!
Pro-Paternos
1998-Sandusky was caught molesting a 6 year old in the Penn. St. showers
1999-Sandusky retired
2002-McQueary reports he witnesses Sandusky molest a kid in the Penn St showers
You don’t think Paterno knew about 1998?, so of course he should take McQueary’s word seriously in 2002.
How the fuck did he have access to the locker room again?
why the fuck would paterno even try to make that distinction based on who reported it? thats why we have police, so we dont have to try and make sense of the evidence ourselves. you hear about something this terrible, you call the cops. the real cops. not campus PD
and yes they are equally liable. they did the same thing. being that they didnt stop a rapist when they had the chance
telling your superior about rape=/= telling the cops about rape
Because it’s what every rational, sane human being does?
If a slutty drunk girl at a party came up to you and slurred that she was raped right before passing out, then wakes up a few hour later, doesn’t go to the cops or anything, are you going to make a “distinction” about the likelihood of her words? As opposed to a sober girl with torn clothes that is crying and pleading for help? Personally, I would make the distinction of taking the second scenario way more seriously…
Same thing here. A graduate assistant claims to have seen some type of rape, but did nothing about it, and didn’t report it to the police himself. Suspicious much?
Again, do you have any idea how many crazy accusations Paterno has heard in his 61 years? I guarantee you that if he called the police every single time one of his players was accused of rape at some coed party that he would barely have time to do anything else. Most of those accusations were bullshit, so he did what he normally does; contact his superior about it.
In this case, the accusation was true. Fault McQueary for doing nothing to stop it and not going to the police.
Fault the PSU AD and president for not doing anything with the information.
But blaming Joe Paterno is freaking ridiculous.
Thank fuck the US justice system doesn’t think the same way you do.
I was with you for a second till that part
every coach has heard shyt… from rape of WOMEN on campuses… to GROWN men taking money to better their lives since schools make so much money… to DRUG accusations…to cheating on test… to having babies… to being used by parents to make a quick buck.
THIS INVOLVES KIDS
u kinda shift your attention a little bit harder. the situations above that happen on an on an on are involving people whom are grown an came make decisions…as i stated earlier the moment the cops are involved you are no longer involved THEN you can say hey… i did what i needed to do back to football… u didnt. u with all your power an the ability to tell people when YOU will retire just passed it up to the guy u tell how u want your salary and when u eventually will retired after they put your casket in the ground.
again… i know the media wants to put paterno on the spot an in this case hey i see why… they know just like i know JOE PA is the judge an jury of penn state. an if he did not want to be involved he easily could of been like hey come with me we are talking with my half ass superior an at the same time the cops will be called an yall can have at it since apparently the situation is of no concern at all being our kids are involved an u are looked at as a guardian…
as far as the guy who did it… oh he will get his good. as far as everyone that dropped the ball they are getting theirs.
koop already called it a post up. its about a kid. this isnt drunk school girl party mayhem.
that instantly makes it more serious when you involve minors, and you cant take that judgement into your own hands. add to it that this is the same guy who was accused of sexual misconduct with a minor back in 98’, and its a no brainer. call the fucking cops.
this isnt some crazy college accusation. the same guy that was told to never bring children back to the campus, the same guy who was forced into retirement in 99’ was just seen raping a child on campus. in what fucked up world do you hear that report on that guy, and just pass it along to your superior and carry on like aint shit up?
Okay, let’s say JoePa doubted McQueary’s story because he didn’t act himself in the spur of the moment. We’ll ignore the shock aspect of seeing something like that for now. You’re doubting a graduate assistant who is accusing your good friend, long time co-worker and partner of raping children in the locker room. You are the head coach. So, if you don’t believe him, you’d do what? You’d probably ask him to leave, or let him graduate and hope never to see him again, right? Or, you know, you could hire him as an assistant coach and keep him on staff for another eight years. Because that makes sense, right?
All three replies to my post had that as a primary “argument”. Really though, it’s just an appeal to emotion.
Look, if Paterno had PERSONALLY WITNESSED the crime, then all of you would be correct in condemning him. Simply passing it on to his superior would have been no good.
But instead, he gets a wild accusation by a graduate assistant who acted completely irrationally if what he said was in fact true. Also, I’m curious where everyone gets the notion that he was told about a “child rape”. According to Paterno, McQueary had told him something happened with Sandunsky and a kid, but he didn’t elaborate further than that. The word “rape” certainly wasn’t used.
What does that tell me? That Paterno was confused. That he didn’t know who to believe. So he did the reasonable thing. Pass it off to two superiors. The AD and the university president.
Or maybe you think that the investigation by the AD cleared the matter up, and it was some misunderstanding?
You make a decent point, but it’s interesting that so many people are quick to condemn a 75 years old man who heard some rambling testimony, reported it to two direct superiors, but didn’t take the extra step of going to the cops about it. Something the EYEWITNESS didn’t want to do, either.
Should Joe Paterno have done so, in retrospect? Probably, although I already noted what a weird conversation it would have been. (“So uh, why isn’t the eye witness reporting this crime instead of your hearsay, Mr. Paterno?”)
But does it make him a bad person who deserved to be fired? Absolutely not.
he didnt witness it… he was told of it cause of who he was
i said how he could have set the ball rolling and step back but he didnt…he DIDNT. confused?? YOUR AN ELDER… whom i respect an learn a lot from expect to break things down an solve the issue…** who to believe??**… im sorry u dont have to… u hear something like that… here let me introduce something that will lay everything out for me…THE COPS… my SUPERIORS… an i can step back an see everything come out like it should or in this case u dont care too much about it so back to Penn State trying to regain its football powerhouse stats… he didnt… im still not seeing a defense for him.
regardless of what the accusation was it was kids involved and something any parent or someone with children in their lives would ensure everything is ok…
Best believe I see a man raping a kid, Im stomping the shit out of him. That kid could be my family member. Fuck reporting to a head coach. After I stomp him, then I tell everybody cops, kids parents, my superiors etc.
I dont agree with all the blame being on just Joe but he could have contacted the cops because this crime involved a **child. **
Im sure he heard some bs through the years but trust I get told um coach Jerry was in the showers with a ten yr old
My reaction. what Why didn’t you stop him?? Lets go stomp this dude, get the kid Im calling 911, detain this bastard right now. Im even grabbing other people to help me detain/stomp this fucker Spartan style!!
Also he runs penn state, runs penn state. You see the clout just off the riots. Some of the students don’t even grasp how serious the situation is. Of course the university is gonna fire him and the president, the parents…smdh!!
**If nobody can understand how serious this is just put yourself there. what if this was your son,younger brother,nephew, cousin etc. Then what if somebody told you that 4 people knew and these are the actions they took. **
Fuck A court.
Exactly Once I hear child, kid, you are getting an immediate action from me.
You know what the media and some of you people need to stop doing though…demonizing Joe like what he did was oh so disgusting.
Yeah we get it, what he did was morally wrong and while we don’t know to what extent his knowledge was of this situation he probably could’ve done something BUT people stop making him out to be the devil incarnate.
He made a simple dumb mistake. PERIOD.
i thought paterno was doing the fucking.
Its absurd to blame Paterno if this is the case.
Yes its a child, but consider this
“Hey Paterno I just saw somebody get killed by your assistant coach…help”
Its along the same lines as this situation, same severity. Why didn’t the graduate student call the cops. Can you really expect somebody like Paterno to take a “he said, she said” situation seriously?
The bad guy isn’t Paterno (for now), its that graduate student for not taking action, after all he is the eye witness. He’s the one who supposedly saw this rape.
These feeling are subject to change, if evidence comes about, that Paterno had multiple reports from diffrent people about the assistant raping little kids. Then yes Paterno is a dick, and should be charged as such.
What you don’t get is when it comes to a child being sexually abused it’s no longer a simple dumb mistake. You don’t get to say it’s a simple dumb mistake when you do little to nothing about children being in the situation they were in. Stupid, dumb mistakes are NCAA violations - “Oops, shouldn’t have gotten that discount on those shoes”, it’s not “Oops, I should’ve done a lot more than I did about that guy I’m working with sexual abusing children”.
Nobody is saying the other guy isn’t at fault either. Thing is nobody would be defending Paterno if he wasn’t “Joe Pa”. They’re both at fault - yet Paterno seems to be getting this argument that he should be given a pass.
US society is pretty disgusting.
Ummmmnn… maybe…take the 10 minutes…to…call the cops?
Don’t be an idiot. There isn’t some moral code out there that talks about protecting somebody that raped a fucking kid. Joe Pa had mad clout. And he ignored it. “I took it to my boss”. If you heard a kid was raped, what would you do?
That isn’t some version of “stop snitching”. Jesus Christ, think before you open your fucking mouth.
Accusing some one of raping a co-ed is a big deal, but it enters a whole different echelon when it’s a fucking 10 year old. How many of his players do you think were accused of raping a 10 year old?
Don’t be an idiot.