This is a game about a blue…never mind.
You kind of missed the point. I know they’re flawed and know what the games’ flaws are. And asides from the programming glitchiness of the 3D games, they’re all subjective like ‘Big has fishing stages, wut’ and ‘slow speed’. The latter of which is a silly complaint to begin with since none of them are actually slow.
My point is that Sonic doesn’t need to ‘redeem’ himself to me because I’ve been satisfied with his games so far. All I look for in a Sonic game is a fun, fitting experience with the characters that have been in the games I’ve been playing since I was 10ish.
And I love progress, especially. Sonic has tried to progress itself and even through several stumbles, it’s still trying and still producing games that are good enough for me. I hate the idea that there’s no way for him but backwards to Sonic 3 & Knuckles. If it doesn’t at least build on things and try to improve, then why bother trying?
There is no excuse for the programming glitchiness, but if any of it were REALLY bad enough to ruin my enjoyment of the game, then I’d consider it to be a problem. I’ve seen buggier than this; it could be much worse.
Got my Apotos Day Stage 2 time down to 3’30"614 and Spagonia Day Stage to 2’42"038. Shinobi, are your runs up on YouTube yet? I’d like to see what path you take through that level.
Carbunkle said he didn’t see where everybody was getting the series’ downfall from.
In response to Carbunkle’s new post: You said you didn’t see where everyone is getting that the series is having a problem and facing a downfall. I have still enjoyed most of the games (not '06) too. But they are severely flawed and certainly nothing what the series used to be. Saying that you’ve played glitchier games doesn’t excuse the fact that most of the 3Dgames in the Sonic series have at times been so glitchy that sometimes you have to intentionally avoid paths or not attack certain enemies because you know they will glitch. At times it is almost unplayable. And I think that everyone here, including you from what you say in your post, can admit that nostalgia is a huge part of what has kept them playing the series. The flaws are there, the flaws are real, and they do bring the series as a whole down, especially to people without the nostalgia assist.
EDIT: I hope this doesn’t come off as derogatory or anything Carbunkle. Nothing against your opinions. As I said, I actually do enjoy most of the 3D games too. I’m just saying that there is certainly ample reason for people to say the series is falling off.
Glad you asked Remy, I had to convert them to another extension so the quality may be down a bit. I got Apotos currently uploading now. The other 3 ought to be up by the hour.
Shadow Ace 50: I think my first Eggmanland run was like 5 and a half minutes which is enough for a B rank. Its a bitch but now that I know the stage I could probably do better (and not die).
Okay. Let’s backpedal here for a moment. “I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone else thinks it does.” is a better indicator of what I meant to say.
I found the 3D Sonic games fun despite the glitchiest offenders (Sonic 2006, Sonic Adventure 1) and really, the aforementioned two games are the closest I’d even begin to consider unplayable, because certain sections like the whale segments in both games honestly can get to that level. The other games have some collision problems at their very worst.
And that still doesn’t change that the other complaints people have are entirely subjective. So there’s a lot of characters, so Eggman is a comical villain rather than a dastardly one, so Sonic isn’t going at mach-5 every moment the game is on, so Shadow got his own game with guns. So what? Complaints like those are BECAUSE of (sometimes misplaced) nostalgia, so it’s not going to drive people away.
But whatever, really. People will think what they think. Defending my position on a forum isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
Wow, heard this game was horrible, sigh I was really looking forward to it too.
I wish they could make an exact PS3/360 replica of SA2, my favorite sonic game, with updated graphics of course.
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Just saw that sonic and the black Knight game, wtf this just doesnt seem right to me sonic with a sword lol.
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Apotos and Spagonia run. 3 hours of waiting and it cuts my quality to shit. Hope you can see it well.
GOOOD GOD…this guy on the ign 360 side ripped unleashed a new one O.o;
They gave 2006…a 4.8 and gave unleashed a 4.5 SAY WHAT!? I’m calling bullshit. Good thing you can get 2 opinions now…The Australia guy gave it a 6. What does story telling have to do with the fuckin graphics of this game!? It’s so fuckin obvious that this guy was lazy as hell with this shit lol. Presentation, Sound, and Graphics have the same comment. Eh whatever.
To people complaining about the camera in this game…errr? I haven’t had any huge problems with the camera that you guys seem to be having so it must be subjective.
I also personally blame the franchises downfall on 4kids…Coincidence that once their voice actors got involved, the series really started to decline?
When I get a chance I’ll really read the posts and throw in my 2 cent.
I’ll read that review later but a 4?? That’s pretty fucked up. I actually enjoyed myself on this game. 2 of my runs are up on craptube. Look at my previous post in this thread.
Uhhh…if this guy is taking over 30 FUCKING MINUTES to clear a werehog level then I think he should resign as a game reviewer because he clearly knows nothing about games. That review was like reading a retarded rant at gamefaqs or something.
I just now read that in the review…that shit is BS. and the jump button not being responsive? O.o; Am I missing something here? Are we playing the same game?
AU IGN review is far better lol
Also note that the reviewer demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of game design. He keeps banging on about why the Werehog has stretchy arms when its pretty obvious why. Its so that you can actually do the more precise platforming elements. And then there is the gold that he says the game runs on rails? Really? Quality control has never been high at IGN, or any of the gaming websites for that matter, and this review just reiterated that sentiment.
you know…I was actually thinking the same thing lol
Transformers the movie is a really good comparison…especially considering the amount of money it made at box-office…
Agree on werehog…but at the same time I’m going to make a comparison to Twilight Princess. Link happens to get changed into a wolf during the story and that changes the gameplay a bit. Granted it’s still LOZish but nintendo tried to go with something different and succeeded, where as Sega tries to do something different and stumbles in the process. Werehog really isn’t that bad…but the complaint that’s been going around that it’s ‘not sonic’ I find a bit faulty…not saying that though.
Another 2d sonic would indeed be nice…but the problem becomes ‘ok…what now?’. Something that Sonic has had to deal with since it’s conception. Sonic 1…great! Sonic 2…make it faster and add a friend with new level design! Sonic 3k…ok umm…new level design, keep the friend but make him more useful aaaaand give him a nemesis…oh and new level design! then you get 3d blast and chaotix and R…and so on. Sure 2d Sonic is always gonna be good (usually) but they need to try to build upon what’s there or it’s just going to get stale. Instead of just settling for that 8 that they’d get they wanna try and out do it to get the extra points ya know? But…then again upon me writing this…maybe that’s the problem to begin with. Instead of doing something to drasticly vary the gameplay they probably should do more like what 2d did and add small things here and there over time (spin dash, new shields, boost from rush) instead of just doing something completely radical every game.
Sonic Team did slow Sonic down…it’s called Sonic 2006. Overall he was slow as hell in that game besides mach speed…
and you don’t have to boost all the time to make it through the day time stages if you can’t keep up…just don’t expect to get any S ranks. When you’re first going through the stages of course if you’re not cautious you’re going to run into stuff. That’s why you go through the stages over and over to remember where things are, this is the same thing as in the 2d versions where you’d be running at a pretty brisk pace only to slam into something sharp or something that could have potentially crushed you. Metropolis Zone made you your bitch if you didn’t know the layout and just tried to run through (fuckin crab fists…).
camera was somwhat wonky during werehog but it didn’t happen as much as one would think though from my play through…so i’m guessing your experience must be quite different from mine. The bigger boss wasn’t hard at all really…kick the shit out of the little ones then tackle the big guy.
and who cares about the planet getting split apart when you can have chocolate…
‘Big has fishing stages’ is actually is a pretty big problem…at least with the other characters you were still constantly moving about and Werehog isn’t really that slow in my eyes…but then you have fishing…and a dumb ass character that is going fishing… Now that I think about it…really what was the point of Big? I think the only useful thing he did story wise was…no wait…that wasn’t even useful.
lots of money doesn’t equal good movie. Look at Batman and Robin or Batman Forever, Superman Returns, all three Spider-Man Movies, All 3 X-Men Movies (only the second one was decent and that was cause Brian Cox and Alan Cumming made the movie watchable)
It was a stupid attempt at a stupid gimmick. A lot of people didn’t like TP either because the diffaculty was dumbed down a lot (though i realize why. Wii brought us a way to play games we never really thought of. So of coarse they won’t make the dungeons clusterfuckerish) and they didn’t like the game cause of the wolf gimmick.
MM9 didn’t change shit except for boss AI and difficulty. Hell, they went back to absolute basics with franchise and tweaked it slightly and people raved mad about how amazing it was. Why can’t sonic do the same? Why can’t sonic stick to basics instead of trying to put him in all these clusterfuckish situations and gimmicks. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
And again, I love Sonic as much as the next person, I just wish they’d stop doing this to him.
wow you didn’t like the first 2 spider-man movies?
And alot of the movies you named had proven themselves prior (despite you not liking them). Transformers was the first live action movie just straight up and it did well. It’s an opinion based thing…I’ll just leave it at that for now.
At the same time a lot of people loved TP…2 sides to it. That didn’t stop it from being received fairly well across the board.
They went back to basics after a really long hiatus…somewhat in the same way between 2d genesis and 2d advance. If MM9 had come out immediately a few months after 8. People would have threw even more of a hissy fit than now when they found out it was going back to completely old school.
Whatever happened to Smilebit?
screw Sonic! I want a new Jet Set Radio!
So why can’t sonic do the same? All the sonic games have been shit since Sonic 3-D for Genesis. Save MAYBE Sonic Rush. And Sonic 3D was when? almost 11 years ago? Time to go back to basics and stop making him transform, protect some ring, or carry around a fucking sword.
Also on the subject of Transformers/TP/Everything else that was mentioned. I don’t know any one who liked them.
really? there was a big thread here on srk about the movie and most of the people in there enjoyed it from what I recall. I know some others enjoyed the movie as well here.
Well sonic’s been somewhat going back with the Rush series…so maybe perhaps a 3rd game is in the works at some point? Rush is like 2.5d.
Adventure-Heroes was actually received pretty well so they aren’t shit. anything after that on consoles besides recent unleashed and secret rings have barely broke 6’s.
Despite Unleashed’s problems you have to admit that they at least tried and listened to people despite werehog. They took what was great about rush and secret rings and put them together to do IMO an awesome job. My hopes is that they learn yet again from the mistakes and listen to do even better. If they gotta do it one baby step at a time then so be it…at least that means that with each game they’ll actually get better…right?
Sonic R 2! Its gonna happen!
Can you feel the sunshine…again!
I said people I know. Not people on SRK.