The Official RYU thread (because being generic never hurt anyone)

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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youre right, it isnt set in stone but no one was trying to argue whether its true or not, you brough it up. look at the last posts before your first post about ryu tier status, you came out of no where letting everyone know that ryu is mid tier as if anyone really did ask. i dont agree with any charts 100% either but saying ryu is mid is just your opinion after losing. no chart is japan put him that low and i dont think any chart in the US did either. if you dont have a “MR ryu of the US” then how can you said ryu is mid? if you want to info on XX topic, wouldnt you ask the opinion of the person who know it best. funny how 99% of the world agree that sagat is top tier yet in the US people are still owning and winning tourneys with random characters.

please dont go as far as to say daigo will tell you that ryu is mid. youll rarely find anyone in japan who’ll tell you that ryu is mid and youd probably get laughed at if you say ken is better especially if it was a ken vs ryu match. even srkers in japan who suck SF4 and who know how to play will tell you that ryu is not mid. go ahead and do a poll.

you say why not look at a person who actually know what theyre doing? :rofl: cuz i dont know what i’m doing right? dont blame ryu’s loss on ryu. blame it on the player. i made a ryu master in under 1000 matches and that was over two months ago, i could have easily been a grand master if i took the game serioulsy and kept playing the same character. i’ll put money on the fact that youre not pulling that off anywhere in japan. i’m not a top well known player but ive played a few people on here, ill let them tell you if i know what i’m doing. if i lose a match i blame it on my mistakes, i already see ryu’s potential but he’s just not easy to control and not easy to master. i dont take the game serious enough to even care, i enjoy playing all over the vs screen and dont even use ryu so it really dont even matter to me where he stands.

asking people what they think about tier status doesnt matter? arent you just saying what you think? or maybe youre stating a FACT.

list all these characters who have all these tool that are better that ryu and i’m talking well rounder tools. so ken can tick tick kara throw mix up, OMFG he’s the shoto king :rofl:. i want to see your tier list please, just list all who you think is above ryu. the game has 17 characters so i’m hoping to see a list of about 8 - 9 characters who are above ryu.

what do you mean at higher levels ryu cant win? do you understand how the bp system works? you dont make it to NO.1 beating scrubs or ok players. you saying he’s not playing at a high level on a daily basis? just playing scrubs?

umm sorry but name another game where an incredible player can take a mid tier character and beat everyone or better yet be no.1 in the whole country according to the people who made the damn game. seriously please name the game and also the player. i’m not saying ryu is top thats why daigo wins, but ryu is real good and daigo is a good player. i only use daigo because its a name we all know. i probably seen three matches of daigo playing. i can say though that because sagat is top why no 2,3,4 ranked players in japan are sagat players. only a matter of time before there are 20 sagats up there for top 20.

lol so i guess the guy who wins the SF4 tourney next year is the best SF4 player in the world because he won the national tourney right? everyone who qualified for tourney already in the local tourneys are the best in their city right? think about this, daigo didnt make it for the national tourney so i guess he’s not a better player than all the others who qualled right? with SF4 being a game so match up/play style specific, its hard to judge someone unless theyre constant.

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Yeah you guys are right…shouldn’t have brought it up.

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ryu strongest man

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Ryu.

He is strong.

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well ryu can link cr.strong to cr.fierce fierce dragon punch I saw daigo do it on youtube channel minora.Daigo was fighting against another ryu so CFAY you were wrong.:arazz:lol

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lol dude what u talking about? when did i say ryu cant do that? if i remember correctly i even said ryu can c.jab,c.strong,c.fierce, SRK. quote me where i said c.srong ,c.fierce, srk was impossible. thats nothing daigo exclusive, thats stuff you see everyday.

edit: go to page 2. date: 07-22-2008, 03:17 PM, look at my first post on that page. thats like a week after the game dropped when i mentioned that you can c.strong, c.fierce, whatever. i doubt the date on any of your daigo vids were before that.

come on man, you made me type all that then youre not gonna come back with anything??? :arazz:

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hey mickey D i hope you didn’t take mcromes reply to heart, i didn’t feel the same way he did, and i’m waiting for you to expand on why you think ryu isn’t as good as others say he is, nothing against you or that i don’t believe you, i’d just like to hear your arguement, lets get a discussion going on here!

I feel like you have an interesting view of the game, i too believe that ryu does have all the tools necessary to win, but to win with ryu, you have to be the better player, agree wholeheartedly.

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Just my 2 cents.

Ryu is not top tier, because he have nothing that you can spam abuse or completly safe.
But He have all the tools to answer any situation.
Problem is that in a cloth range some of the cast are better(zanghief), and long range too( Dhalsim)

So if you don t control the range you can t winn.

Plus I will had that some characer have really good guessing game( zanghief ) that can leed to very big damage. yu haven t this.

Basically ryu have the default of his quality, He is not bad in anyway but not really good in any other way.

If you can control the range, you can beat any one of the cast, but sometime if you are not where you should be, you will feel like ryu is not good.

work your range game, work your AA game, Work your tech grab game,and you will feel like if it s hard to make damage, it s hard or your oponment to touch you too.

There is some situation that are really hard to deal with( mid range against a blanka with EX and ryu without super and with little life left is a good exemple) Here you will really have trouble as you can t jump , hado and blanka poke is really good.

The solution is not to find how to deal when you are in this situation, no the solution is to not be in this situation.

that all

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definately, there are some situations where ryu has an extremely hard time, but as a ryu player, you should never be in that situation in the first place

a good example is in super turbo, when you have chun rushing you down with pokes and throwing you alot, its a tough situation, but she shouldn’t be that close to begin with, you need to zone very well to have an effective ryu, he doesn’t have any cheap game winning bullshit like some of the other characters do

thats actually part of the reason why i love the character, he ISN’T amazing, he’s definately NOT the best, but in the hands of someone good, he is fearsome

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Super Street Fighter II, if I remember correctly, Ryu was like Middle-Tier in that game, he definitely got far less beefy from his beastly Hyper Fighting counterpart. Arguably the greatest US Street Fighter player ever, Tomo The Legend Ohira used Ryu (I don’t know if he used Ryu 100% throughout the tournament) however he beat none other then Mike Watson at his last SF tournament showing in this game using Ryu.

If there was one player who mastered Ryu to nearly 100% flawless perfection, it was Tomo, he was simply a God with Ryu (Guile as well, but this is a Ryu thread :lovin:).

However, if you want my real honest opinion on Ryu in SF:IV with the small time-frame I’ve had of playing it when I was in Japan for a few weeks. I can say this from my own experiences, since I was playing some solid players at the time.

Ryu is a strong character in SF:IV, he’s not Top, but he’s strong, he feels like he’s got potential in standards that could be equivalent to where he was in ST.

I’ve never ever, even since the earliest days of playing SFII back in the early 90’s have felt that Ryu was an “easy” player to learn at the deep end as so many other would be people would claim. Simply because the amount of knowledge of understanding his spacing, zoning, mastering his Hadouken setups so you don’t get killed outright, and trying to flawlessly execute his footsie game was never an easy feat.

In SF:IV Ryu feels much in that way again, that he has a very good footsie game, his Hadouken traps may not be as powerful again, however they are still very good in here. Understanding his spacing/zoning game again isn’t easy, because it requires a higher lvl of effort by the player which was no different in OG SFII.

Everyone has to remember this also that Ryu was also ranked Top 6 within ST, however how many players could make him look like he was Top 6 in ST and make him competitive? Choi, Valle, and Daigo at his time?

Ryu in SF:IV is imo like how Mishima’s are in Tekken, in that he can be really strong, however you need to take that effort to push him to that point, because he doesn’t have super high bs that can just put you there easily much like in most cases when he was strong in other SF games. He has all of the tools in almost every given situation, it’s just that none of them are overpowered, but just strong. I guess I’m more on the boat that Ryu is still within the Top 6 in SF:IV at it’s current state.

On another note, my time in Tokyo, the character that I found myself struggling against the most was Dhalsim…oh my goodness, those stupid pokes and spacing really put Ryu in a corner, and when your down life, I tend to get impatient and try to get in. The only times I feel that I have an advantage is if I score a knock down on Sim’s limbs or a throw or what not, so I can get the initiative, other then that, if they are spacing correctly, AAing you when you try to jump in…this match up is so frustrating.

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I truly coulnd’t have said this better myself. I agree with 99% of this, straight up. I think that I’ll make one more post regarding the topic…just want to thank you for inspiring me to do so.

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First, regarding CFAY’s post, as he took the time to make a very long well thought out post, and I can appreciate that and respect it.

Cfay, don’t think that I’m saying Ryu is mid only because I’m “losing.” The only people that I lose to are the best players in my area, Deezo and Cole. I have had discussions with these guys time and time again why Ryu is so overrated. Both of these players say that Ryu is pretty much mid, but low high when in the right hands for the same reasons that I’ve posted before.

You brought up something very important: “even srkers in japan who suck SF4 and who know how to play will tell you that ryu is not mid.” This is my point, who are these players? They aren’t at a level where they can even SAY how good a character is. I mean to be honest, you bring up this idea of “ask anyone they all laugh at your face” but you don’t take into perspective that they aren’t even at a skill level where they can understand or fathom the mere THOUGHT. I don’t deny that your a good player C, but your not top (granted you don’t really care about the game as is). I know I’m not either, but at least I’m at the right line of thinking to get there.

Because you asked: Sagat, Bison, Zangief, Balrog, Ken, Rufus, Akuma, Blanka all are better then Ryu as far as the amount of tools they have. Ryu is good and daigo is a real good player fixed it for you. Daigo DID make it for national quals too.

All in all, I don’t really have anything much more to say. I just wanted to see if other people started having problems with Ryu. I wanted to be able to lend a helping hand to those who felt stuck with him (like I did at one point). However, from what it seems like, it doesn’t appear as if people are able to realize why he isn’t as good as most people think he is. I mean, as all of you are well aware Sagat is a better version of Ryu…Anything that Ryu does, he can do A LOT better. But personally, I’m sticking with Ryu because I’m comfortable with him, and also want to prove that I can do well with him. Ryu IS solid…and he DOES have the tools to build the cast. But unless you are a good enough player, you WILL NOT make it in top level with him.

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i’m tired. ryu is no god, no sagat, have a hard time with a good sim/gief and sometimes a good dictator but seriously who else clearly beats ryu to make him mid? i want to see the 8 chars in sf4 who are above ryu. even those characters who i mentioned above have to come with a correct game to beat a good ryu.

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@ mickey, if you are gonna keep playing ryu then why stop posting in this thread? we share a similar goal (at least you and i do) in that despite ryu’s shortcomings (compared to some of the other more powerful characters), im still going to main him and compete with the best of em’

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ok so the best players in your area think ryu is overrated, thats cool. its no different than the best players in japan saying he is up there atleast top 5, just opinion based on how the US and japan both look at it. why you and your squad have to be right but japan and what i and a few other players here think have to be wrong, because you play with the top players in your area and they agree??

you say srkers in japan arent at the level to say how good a character is, feelings hurt but do you think you’re a better player than every srker in japan? :rofl: i know we all suck but come on man at least play a couple of us first. i’m not top but i dont have to agree with people who are. you named your 8 chars who you think are better than ryu and i dont agree with half of them but thats cool, again just your or the top players in your area opinion. if you only lose to deezo and cole then how come youre placing 5th in tourneys, just wondering.

lol how are you giving a helping hand by coming in and saying ryu is mid? if anything people will lose hope. i keep the faith in ryu, he’s no spammer and he cant just use the same pattern to win but he’ll still F shit up. there’s always another skill level to get to with ryu, his game is that sweet and difficult to perfect.

cant the same be said about most of those 8 characters you listed?

dude its been said over and over, he dont have smammable moves like most but he’ll still win with his simple tools so that makes him king ryu in my book. i dont respect ryu’s game because he’s “soo good” i respect it because with a lot of the other characters having some weird cheap shit, ryu can still find ways around it as long as the player is good enough. it might be hard but its still amazing that he got the ability to do it. thats what makes him good to me.

i dont have much else to say either. i got my opinion and you and your team got yalls but just play a couple srkers in japan before you think we are all trash and dont have the right to say anything about where a character stand. let me know if youre ever in japan, i’m not at the right line of thinking to be a top player like you are but would love to get some matches in.

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But unless you are a good enough player, you WILL NOT make it in top level with him

^ that is a bit redundant, to make it in top level, and to be a top player, you obviously not only have to be a good enough player, but have to be a great player lol

mickey d’s arguement is that ryu has the tools, but not much more, and to win with ryu, requires more skill than winning with other characters < this i agree to

cfay’s arguement is that ryu, while not the best in this game, has all the right tools, and can fuck shit up, as long as the player is good < this i also agree to.

both of you guys are kinda agreeing that ryu isn’t overpowered like some other people, and he requires skill to be effecient with, so then why keep argueing, we all agree here lol, we all fight hard, and with honor, and although our character may not be the best, we fight hard to be the better player, and always look to improve, thats the same way ryu feels about battle, we are all on the path to become great warriors, no need to argue here… i mean it’s not like we’re going to go and switch to sagat because it’s hard to win with ryu or some stupid shit.

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C, I’m happy to hear your thoughts, and thank you for taking the time to explain them. The only thing that I’m gonna touch on in your post is who you asked I lost to to place 5th. Well in our tournaments, 5th and 4th are the same place…there are only 1: 1st, 2nd, 3rd…winner of grand finals, loser of grandfinals, and winner of losers grand finals. Our first tournament, i took 2nd, and lost to a Blanka player named Billy in grand finals. 2nd tournament I lost to Deezo and Cole. 3rd tournament I lost to a player named James, then Billy. 4th tournament I lost to Deezo then Peachy’s Blanka. And our 5th tournament I lost to Scrubby Dan, then Cole. But anyways, I’m not even going to make up execuses for losing to the “no names” that I lost to…fact of the matter is that consistently, I reach top 8 every tournament and EACH TIME that CONSISTENTLY, I lose to players who took 1st and 2nd that tournament. So yeah, I may be taking 4th/5th…and not taking 3rd…but that has to do with the fact that either 1st place or 2nd place has outed me to get to losers grand finals as is.

Anyways, next post will just be general thoughts, and ideas towards people’s posts

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Shotos have always required more skill to use. Zoning with their fireball alone is a chemistry that you have to learn to be good with them. Other characters are braindead and easy to learn, like Rufus, and I think that keeps them from aging well with the game. Since they are so straightfoward, you hit the ceiling with them fast. The players that use them don’t have as much room to breath compared to people with characters like Ryu, Sagat, or Akuma.

Look at Zangief. People thought he was a beast. People know the match-up now though, and now he has a disadvantage from about one third the cast. A few very frustrating and one almost impossible match-up too. You can be sure Ryu will not face anything like that because of all of his good options. They take more time to learn to utilize well than other characters, but it’s a sacrifice you have to make if you want to learn a character with only one or two slightly disadvantaged match-ups, and one disadvantaged match-up (That retarded character Sagat).

Also, like CFAY, I don’t think those characters are better than Ryu. Ryu has better match-ups than all of them excluding Sagat and Akuma. I think he’s tied with Blanka in match-ups.

P.S. About my comment on picking up other characters, I didn’t mean to sound like a dick. It was a suggestion that might help you evaluate things better. I know when I started using characters like Dhalsim, Rufus, and Zangief, I saw Ryu in a very different light.

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Everyone’s got some great input and I just want to say, thanks for adding into the discussion. What it gets down to is that Ryu isn’t overpowered, and he’s not weak…instead he’s solid enough to have enough tools to compete well. Most people disagree with me for saying he’s mid, and disagree with my characters that are better. So now, I’ll try another route…

Sagat, Bison, Balrog, Rufus, Ken, Akuma, Blanka…These characters don’t need to work nearly as hard as I do to deal damage through using Ryu. Zangief needs to work fairly hard to deal damage so I didn’t put him in the list. If these characters don’t need to work as hard as I do for damage…how are they not better then Ryu. I’m sure the arguement to this statement will be “how is it easier for them to deal damage!?” Well just look at the list…then think about how Ryu gets damage. And let me break that down…Ryu gets damage from setups, and zoning. You might want to say combo’ing, but like I said…at top level play, Ryu’s tricks and mixups can’t hang and get shrugged aside. You’ll find yourself getting tiger uppercutted, out of strings…tech’s during throw attempts…you’ll find yourself at an absolute freeze, that Ryu, is NOT as good at getting damage from up close as people think he is.

You guys talk about matchups…Yeah, Ryu doesn’t have too many terrible matchups…so this is why he’s high tier? So in paper, Ryu shouldn’t lose to the majority of the cast right, because that’s what the charts say. However, there are MANY times where it still happens. Matchups don’t mean SHIT.

Matchup information gets thrown out the window when you take into perspective of exactly WHO your fighting…WHAT their tendencies and habits are. I could care less if I’m fighting a Sagat that throw a fuck load of shots at me. Yeah, the matchup isn’t in my favor…but by figuring this guy out, I can beat him. THIS is the true essence of why Ryu is good. I admit, at one point even I felt the need to be analytical in matchups to a degree of sheer madness…this beats this…I can do this when he does that…In situation x, my answer is y. But after all is said and done, matchups don’t mean ANYTHING, when you play against the PLAYER…not the character.

The fact that Ryu doesn’t have too many bad matchups doesn’t MAKE him top or high tier…it’s yet again another tool that he has against the cast. Something that when put in the right hands, can put Ryu at an advantage over any play style. Because matchups change all the time based off of certain play styles. It’s up to the player, to learn how to beat it with the tools he is given.

McRomes, you should ask Justin what he thinks of Ryu, maybe even ask him about the matchup thing too. I would definitely like to hear what he had to say about it.

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yea i bet if mickey d picked up some other characters he’ll change his tier list. it already seem like its based off them beating ryu and not them being an all around great character vs everyone else but i already said that even if all of those characters do beat ryu in his book, that does not automatically put them above him on the tier list.