The (Mod-Approved) Skullgirls Tier/Theory Discussion Thread

The worst post in that thread was yours trying to get people away from talking about Leona. The post calling BALA/Answer tier list fraudulent also included discussion about what is important to the game and meter use theory.

It’s not sad when the game’s tiers are still largely vague or undetermined, that’s good! That means the game is thus far balanced.

I’m not sure why you’re getting all defensive or in a rush to have a tier list ready on day 3/4.

You can’t be saying why tier list discussion on a new game is discouraged with a straight face after reading this thread. I’m going to let you figure out why pre-release vids and controlled play sessions don’t count after the game hits the wild.

You’re gonna sit here and say it’s good to let people think they figured out a character in 4 days?

Tier lists are stupid until at least 6 months to a year after a game has been out. Or at least after evo imo

Jesus tier talk not even a week after the game has launched? Dumb really.

This game is a giant parfait of awesome and we are still on the whipped cream topping.

Gotta let the game breath. Get the tier talk off it’s nuts.

I’m gonna give you the proper tier list for this thread. Mind you tiers will change over time so please do not get all uppity about this shit because characters will get moved along as needed. Some of them do cross over from one tier to the other; that is a more complicated tier list and I’ll have to do it later.

“Yo nigga, word?” Tier:

Valentine
Parasoul

“Oh its like THAT?” Tier:

Peacock
Painwheel
Cerebella
Ms. Fortune

“I got a pocket…” Tier:

Filia

“What this bitch do?” tier:

Double

best list ive seen so far, as far as listing actual tools.

at the trolls. whatever, i was going to post something to adequately discuss why there should be tier lists… but lets face it, i wont be changing minds, and you certainly wont be changing mine, the difference is i dont care what others opinions are as far as how they conduct themselves. i WILL say its extremely selfish to wish a tier thread gone just because you dont like it and because you think its immature at the games current stage, this selfishness is directly linked to your black and white views that tier lists are somehow fact, when in actuality they are anything but that, even years into a games lifespan, there have been discoveries that have shaken things up. tier lists are mutable, flowing entities. they change as time goes on and most importantly arent supposed to be a complete reflection of future based assumptions (ie potential) nor are they completely based off of tournament winnings, they are MOSTLY about “what is happening NOW” in other words if someone wants to come in and play a top tier character that is top RIGHT NOW…who should they use? early on in mvc3 it was sent, and 1 month into the game sent was so high tier that just having on your team against someone that didnt damn near guaranteed a win…so guess what? AT THAT TIME, IF YOU HAD A TOURNY TO GO TO SENT WAS YOUR BEST BET TO PLACE HIGH and yes THATS A MOTHERFUCKING FACT.

sent would get nerfed in a month and the tier list mutably changed over the next 6 months to show sents decline… thats a proper tier list. it says:
LOOK MOTHERFUCKERS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT CURRENTLY, with a gray area for characters that show alot of potential, but havent seen it tournament success yet. (early viper and zero would take time to go from theory top tiers to actual top tiers that were winning tournaments.

anywho that means nothing as im completely sure that that will not change a trolls mind.

at MR.X

you are right of course about needing to talk about tools, but give it some time, some people will post nonsense, others will post gold, everyone will learn. as long as we dont let ourselves get sidetracked by trolls… we should be fine.

also, this thread is on life support cause HFA will most likely close it. hopefully we can get in some good talk before he does. if he does i suggest to all reading this that we take this discussion elsehwere, ie off of srk. words can be written anywhere.

im not going to make a tier list at this point cause i honestly dont know where to begin (another reason for this thread being good)

but i will talk about general tools and take a stab at who i think is high and low tier AT THIS POINT IN TIME:

peacock when combined with doubles h hornet bomber seems really disgusting, as far as right now goes, which is pre major, i think peacock with double assist is the best shell in the game,i hope that changes and that that shell drops to mid or so.

cerebella is also high for now cause with people still not knowing how to keep her out well, she does incredible damage for little execution and has easy guesses to make in order to get that damage also she has good assists.

i fully expect her to drop though. she gets zoned out pretty bad.

low:

at this point i wont list low as RSG3 (as ubertroll as he is) has a point that listing characters as low can needlessly make people put those characters down. and that would be bad cause no one knows enough about any of the characters to list them as low yet, save for mike and we all know mike did everything he could to make this game balanced so im sure he doesnt think of any character as low.

-dime

I just don’t understand why people think having a tier list discussion is a BAD thing. That’s what I’m getting at. People are discussing things. Yeah, this thread is mostly a train wreck. I won’t disagree with you. Doesn’t mean good won’t come from it. But there are RULES IN THIS FUCKING FORUM that state that tier lists are BANNED. This makes no sense. At all. If people wanna theory fight, then they should be able to. On the internet, especially, of all places.

THAT’S what I’m getting at. Do you understand yet? Do you see how mind-numbingly stupid it is to tell people “don’t talk about an aspect of competitive play of this specific game” in the forum for said specific game on a competitive fighting game website? The biggest one in the WORLD?

Do you SEE how WEIRD that is?

Lol @ all the people talking about how it is too early for tier discussion or putting some stupid fucking timeframe on when it is ok or not ok to talk about tiers.

Wait a month Hogosha, then I think people will be ready.

No. I wasn’t even referring to anything that was said in this thread, I’m just saying that I remember reading at least one post today in some thread that implied Painwheel was a complete and utter mystery, and that nobody had spent more than 30 minutes in the lab with her. I just wanted to dispel any rumors like that, as I myself have lanes with her probably near 10 hours now. Saying that a character has been completely figured out at this stage would be foolish. I’m just saying she’s not the MODOK of the game that nobody has bothered learning because she has wonky combos.

Also, I want people to figure out who’s bad real quick so I can win with those characters.

TBH I feel Filia doesn’t have as many good things as the rest…Ms Fortune is like much more scary than her

I don’t think there is any clear distinction in viability between the 8 characters. I would have them all equal in ‘tier’ currently.

What I did find jarring was the differences in mobility. So here’s a brief ranking of how I think the mobility stacks up for the characters. Keep in mind I am only really familiar with Cerebella at this point.

Peacock (good backward air dash as well as the shotgun move, double jump, ground run and good back dash, teleport)
Valentine (unique air dash angles, double jump, ground run, air move that acts as another double jump, specials to move her almost full screen in air or on ground)
Ms. Fortune (good box dash, long back dash and forward run, double jump)
Filia (fantastic box dash momentum, good ground dash+run)
Double (unique and confusing ground dash, double jump, air move that acts as another double jump, item dive thingy)
Cerebella (armored run, long glide, slow ground dash, double jump, elbow drop)
Painwheel (looooong flight, longish ground dash, attacks move her forward in the air)
Parasoul (ground dash, minor floating)

I think Valentine and Peacock are probably interchangeable, but I definately felt like parasoul’s mobility was lacking, and Painwheel’s was overrated. My reasoning for the Painwheel thing is that while she can remain in the air for a long time, she is also vulnerable, and not able to make sudden movements to avoid big attacks; is there anything to stop me from just throwing cerebella’s qcf punch super whenever I see painwheel flying in my airspace?

On a different note, I think Cerebella is overrated at the moment. She does amazing damage and is pretty simple to pick up, but I suspect getting the first hit will rely more and more on guessing correctly (or them guessing incorrectly) which is fine for a high damage character, but if it means her damage is not worth that risk in teams of 2 or 3, she may be at a disadvantage. That said, I think she’s at least as viable as Haggar as it stands now.

I haven’t played enough of Double to know for sure, but she seems to be a contender for top dog at the moment. Not by a great deal, but I can see potential as both an assist and a meter user, possibly as part of a strider-doom like setup that would dominate the neutral game against a lot of teams.

That thread needs to be stickied then. I completely missed it. :wink: Thanks for pointing that out!

Why did anybody take a tier thread started by the guy who wanted to talk matchups for characters that don’t exist seriously? That’s the real question. I mean, there is literally nothing of meaning to discuss with regards to tiers on day 4 of a brand new game IP with 8 characters.

I’m also in the credits and the last thing I want is people being nice to me. I’m german, I need WAR.

Also I don’t even have the game yet but based on artwork evidence I think Squigly will be top tier.
Also Marie is currently God Tier, but she has a terrible matchup against Umbrella. Probably. Right, Firebranded?

Oh well, looks like everyone is a troll these days :frowning:

EDIT: HOOOOOOOOOOORAY THE THREAD LIVES!

LOL this is amazing.

Sentinel - 2.0. Sakura - 5.0.

There, do what you will now.

I will leave you gentlemen be, but do more discussing and less tier listing or something.

waddles off

You heard the man, lets discuss everything we were going to discuss before the trollfest. As in how Fortune J.HP is a godlike air move.

I think this game only has three tiers atm.

S+ Tier
Peacock
Valentine

S Tier
Filia
Ms. Fortune
Parasoul
Painwheel

S- Tier
Cerebella
Double

At this pont, I haven’t seen anyone with any real weakness, or overpowering strength. No one is useless. So, the only thing I think can decide who is better is team function. The better a character is on a big team, and if they all work together, it can be very hard for the opponent to get in. So, I think Peacock and Valentine deserve the top spot. One for zoning, the other gets that slight bumbp for ressurecting teammates. Parasoul does well on a team, but I don’t think she does well enough on point (not like Peacock), so she’s S. the other three S ranks are versatile, and have good mobility. Cerebella seems to do best solo, but that’s dangerous when fighting a full team that knows what it’s doing, despite her nearly instant death Super grab. Double… cannot be ranked any higher until she is understood better.

I use Ms. Fortune (On point), Cerebella, and Fillia btw.

Why does this thread exist? How can you possibly make a semi-competent tier list this early? The quote sums up how pointless this thread is. “We don’t even understand this character yet, clearly it’s not to early to make a tier list hurr durrrrrrr.”