Is it at all possible he’s being set up or something? That does seem a little sketchy. Though, my MMA history knowledge isn’t shit, so maybe that’s happened a bunch of times before.
It just seems weird that dude can pass all these random tests, yet fucked up on seemingly the most important one he knew was coming.
i think in the usada era this may be a first. its sketchy no matter what.
Tbol that was found in his urine sample doesn’t show up in blood at all, so that proves nothing. Wait till urine sample B results are up.
*Sketchy in what aspect? Jon Jones isn’t exactly a great decision maker outside of hand to hand combat. He passed two out of competition tests a month before the DC fight, however Turnibol can be used for cutting purposes. By extension if he was taking tbol for that reason then he wouldn’t have had to use it at those time points.
Not to mention he originally got busted before the last DC fight for estrogen blockers that he wrote off as “Dick Pills”. Tbol, which is a derivative of Dbol which increases estrogen levels as a side effect, doesn’t have the same water/aromatic and estrogen side effects as Dbol. I could see Jon switching to Tbol with new masking agents during the cut before the fight to retain strength. *
wait he could have cycled tbol with his cut cycle (he did look pretty great) like a boss, which would have meant although out of his blood stream it could have had residue build up in the liver hence getting caught there. I will defer to my expert witness @NickRocks but yea I think this is a pretty legit catch if thats the stuff he was using.
the dicc pill things could be legit…if jones was running tbol solo, one hes an idiot, and 2 he would need estrogen bloccers to help get his libido bacc dicc pills wouldnt rly do much tho, he would need to take HCG or something. why are pro athletes and their trainers so stupid about how to cheat? its so easy to pass these tests. tbols only detectable for like 6 weeks, too /:
Don’t listen to Schaub’s bro science.
i heard that podcast…
thats how schaub was describing “legit” tbol lmaoooo
Here I was thinking that I’d probably spend the next few pages defending Benny against the naysayers, sometimes I really can’t tell if Crucades is being sarcastic or not, surprisingly this time he wasn’t, lol.
The reason why a lot of people can’t take Bruce seriously is the fact that Wing Chun has never been proven to be an effective style. Also the excuse often used by Kungfu/Wing Chun enthusiasts that MMA isn’t real fighting because it has some rules is no longer valid, but people still use it to defend ineffective martial arts.
What can a Wing Chun or even a Jeet Kune Do specialist do in a real fight that will give them the upper hand against a skilled MMA fighter? and is this something that an MMA fighter can’t do as effectively or even more effectively than a Wing Chun/JKD specialist?
Secondly why don’t these Wing Chun/JKD fighters enter Vale Tudo tournaments which have no rules to prove the effectiveness of the art? This is how BJJ grew in popularity.
Another reason is people vouching for Bruce being a great street fighter are not even proven fighters themselves, no one at that time fought full contact in America except for boxers. Bruce’s own “hired” stunt men who are earning a living off him aren’t exactly going to say Bruce wasn’t unbeatable or special.
Bruce was tiny as fuck and would get dropped by most people due to size alone.
It’s not whether Wing Chun is/isn’t effective that I don’t take Bruce seriously. I disregarded him as I don’t really think he brought anything new to the table.
Cross training? Been and done.
Strong side forward? Boxers were doing that for years if they liked having a powerful lead jab or hook.
Taking what is useful? Everyone who has ever sparred eventually figures out what works for them.
As always, I think its a matter of the way its trained, not the concepts themselves.
A Wing Chun student or school should have ZERO reservations about experimenting. You don’t need to hit the super dirty targets like the throat or groin to demonstrate a martial art.
I look at gene lebell and george lazenby two stuntmen as legit bad asses because they were shooters
Gene worked on a couple of bruce’s stuff going back to green hornet and made bruce want to learn grappling
Like you put some 4th dan karate black belt in there with a high school state wrestling champ the child will throw the black belt like nothing
Bruce def brought alot of things to the table. Cross training was not a popular thing back then
He gets some credit for revitalising the idea, sure. But shit like pankration, lei tai, vale tudo, all that shit predated him, underground or extinct as they may have been back then.
I’m just weird as I understood the idea of crosstraining very early through athletics and schoolyard fights. Even though I knew of Bruce I only knew his movies.
Didn’t take long to realise the natural human instinct is to wrestle, so it always puzzled me why martial artists were so ignorant of it.
Honestly cross training seemed discouraged back then.
Why would Bruce being small be an issue? Royce Gracie was dominating MMA against people more than twice his size. Whether the art is effective or not is the only issue, not the size of the practitioner.
Wing Chun not being effective is a big issue because it defines JKD. Bruce Lee wanted to expose the west to Chinese martial arts and JKD without Wing Chun is almost modern day MMA which at its core is a mixture of western and Japanese martial arts with absolutely nothing taken from Chinese martial arts.
Wing Chun doesn’t define JKD. There’s basically nothing in JKD that can’t be found elsewhere. The side on posture, the stop kicks, the strong hand forward, that shit is mostly found in the other styles he dabbled in, like Choy Li Fut (via the Lacey brothers during his teens in HK), boxing and Hapkido (via Ji Han Jae).
His size is relevant because at the time, BJJ wasn’t really a thing. Bruce was not Royce Gracie. Bruce had done some wrestling, but most people of average size could probably snap him in half.
It’s much easier to be so ripped and do dragon flags when you’re the size of a feather.
Bruce also said Muhammad Ali would kick his arse.
Lol at the pendulum swinging from Bruce could’ve easily beat Tyson to now Wasted pretty much saying he wasn’t shit.
Nah, I’ve no doubt the dude was beyond obsessed with his training and learning, more than most at the time, even. Pushups with 250lbs on his back? Fucking hell.
Were it not for his death he could have rocked the full contact karate or kickboxing scenes in the 70s, done really well. Imagine Bruce vs Benny The Jet?
He openly admitted he would get rocked by bigger guys like Ali though. I take that as a sign of humility.
I just don’t buy into the myths, and I don’t really understand the worship anymore.
The stuff you can’t find elsewhere that you just mentioned are taken exclusively from Chinese martial arts that were incorporated into JKD, and it definitely is Wing Chun that you described regardless of what other Chinese style you claim it is, and these unique Chinese aspects of JKD that can not be found in other styles are ineffective in a real fight. That’s my point which has been proven time and time again but people believe that Bruce was able to effectively pull off a style that no one else can use effectively to this day. You just mentioned boxing and I know that he incorporated boxing, Judo and submissions into JKD and even Tae Kwon Do which are styles found elsewhere that work.
The most dominant single martial arts on their own are boxing, wrestling, BJJ and then Muay Thai. Mixing these or choosing one grappling art and one striking art is all you need. Or even learning a single striking art on its own will get you by. Boxing is the most effective hand to hand striking and defense style regardless of what people want you to believe.
Define those “unique Chinese aspects”, please? Do you mean the straight blast? Which is just Wing Chun hocus pocus?
As far as Chinese training went, Bruce only did some Tai Chi when he was younger, and his Wing Chun. He had no other real training in Chinese arts. He took much of the kicks and movement from other styles. There isn’t much other Chinese influence in JKD aside from Wing Chun, and overall, WC forms such a small part of the system in reality anyway.