The MMA Thread. BJ Penn Didn't Die #HeDeadThough

He dominated Josh Thomson. Absolutely dominated him. Who else was gonna fight Melendez?

LOL@Daley supposed to KO Diaz. Diaz was the favorite and for a damn good reason. Daley was out of his league. Stop pretending.

It’s fucking hilarious how Japanese fighters get exposed when they lose but then when they win so-n-so was overrated anyways. It’s lose/lose to argue this with people like you. How was he exposed? He got clipped by a good shot, so apparently his whole game is negligible because a good punch? So BJ Penn got exposed for shitty boxing because he lost to Edgar and so did BJ’s shitty takedown defense. Overrated as fuck. Totally exposed. Kawajiri has been a top 10 fighter for 4 years. He’s been a top fighter for almost his entire career. Something Nick Diaz hasn’t been.

The DREAM LW tournament was the most stacked tournament in MMA history. At the time it had the most top fighters in it. Unlike Rings King of Kings tournament where everyone became great later, everyone was considered good/great in that tournament except Eddie Alvarez (who ended up almost winning except for an eye injury).

Uno, Ishida, Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Alvarez, Kawajiri, Boku, Andre Dida and Bu-Kyung Jung who showed extremely good skills in all of his bouts. It’s too bad he was fed to the wolves so early. He has/had talent.

DREAM clearly had the best LW stable in MMA. The UFC had BJ Penn. And BJ Penn. Oh and BJ Penn. Strikeforce had Melendez and Thomson. That was it.

Yes, it was a while ago but you clearly show your ignorance because that’s where the best LW’s were showcased then. Now, it’s a big ass cluster fuck.

Who is hating on Schiavello? :wtf: He knows what he’s talking about more that Renallo. Like Rock said, “GOOD NIGHT IRENE” can’t be hated on. I like when he says “He’s taking more shots to the face than Jenna Haze.” or when he refers to Kyotaro by saying “He’s doing his best Seabiscuit impression.” :lol:

No ground game? LAME!!! :rofl:

What’s hilarious is that generally, I agree with the majority of what you’re saying, and am, too, a Japanese MMA fanboy.:lol: That still doesn’t change the fact that Kawajiri hasn’t beaten anyone recently worth beating, and shouldn’t have been anywhere near a title shot with just a victory over Thomson.

You can try to proclaim my ignorance all you want, and try to pretend that you have the high-road option, but unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make you more correct. I know all about the Dream LW, and was hyped as hell for it. I still think that it was one of the best gatherings of fighters of a certain weight class, ever. Kawajiri lost, though. In fact, the only people he beat are two relative nobodies. He had a fucking easy route to the semis, and I’m pretty sure we can both agree to that. Sure, anything can happen in MMA, but he was supposed to get as far as he did. Anyway, you remember who won that tournament? Fucking Joachim Hansen. Most people don’t even remember he exists now. IMO, he got a serious bye when he fought fucking Black Mamba to get back in after getting his ass beat by Alvarez, and then fought an exhausted Aoki (who showed later that that shit was a major fluke).

Anyway, my point is that the past is, well, the past. The best LWs were in Japan before, and the USA pretty much *did *only have BJ. No doubt. That doesn’t change the fact that it is the exact opposite now. It’s strictly opinion, and disregards the instability of MMA and the fact that “anything can happen at any time”, but IMO, in general the best Japan has to offer will not beat the best USA has to offer at this current time. There are tons of great LWs, and Kawajiri, IMO, just no longer shows up on that radar, as was recently shown, as was shown when Melendenz dominated him. He may still register as a “good” LW, but to raise him up nowadays as something special just seems silly, even before the Melendez fight.

If you don’t consider almost every Japanese fighter coming to America and getting grapplefucked repeatedly as an exposure, then I don’t know what to say to you. In general, there are significant flaws in their game. That is not to say they will not adapt (anyone that has been a fan pre-TUF generally agrees that there is an apparent ebb and flow to MMA), but right now, it is apparently not “their time”. Not every time someone says exposed, they mean “HAHAHA FUCKING LOSER OVERRATED BITCH”. Most of the time, but not every time. As of right now, though, you appear to be clinging to Kawajiri’s wins way back in the past, which… well, it’s simply not a good look. IMO, his last, truly significant win was against JZ, and even that is highly arguable.

RE: BJ - if you don’t think his legendary takedown defense is more questionable now that he is fighting the highest caliber of wrestlers (and getting thrown around on the regular), then I have to disagree with you. I still think he’s a good fighter, he’s just been exposed for his weaknesses against certain types of fighters. This is not an insult to BJ - this is an observation of what happened. Could the majority of LWs take down BJ? Fuck, no. Could the guys who are fighting for the belt take down BJ? Well, the answer to that is pretty obvious.

RE: Diaz: While I felt that Diaz would dominate him, the majority of the MMA world (idiots, granted) felt that if he stood with him, he would get dominated. Wasn’t quite the case, from what I’ve read. Like you, I feel that he was favorite for a reason, and that is because while I consider Diaz a great fighter, I also consider Daley an overrated, one-dimensional fighter. Now it appears that even that dimension is questionable. “Puncher’s chance” is seemingly apt.

edit: TL;DR: opinion in, opinion out. The past is not the present.

when japanese mma fanboys collide…next on this episode of srk mma insider.

Wait wut?

edit lol nvm rampage covered it with way more words. Songo u mad.

We’re pretty much agreeing, but the term exposed isn’t exactly correct in my eyes. I’m saying Kawajiri is a top fighter regardless of his downfalls in the end. To deny that is ridiculous.

lol watching the sf card right now and just saw dana rocking the strikeforce tee. this nigga is like the majin buu of mma. first pride, now strikeforce.

you forgot wfa and wec…dana white destroyer of worlds.

nigga’s the mma galactus…and has the gut to prove it

He can be the MMA Galactus. I’m just worried he’ll become the MMA Vince McMahon: Buy out all the competition, water down your product, lose large portion of fanbase.

^_-;

did anybody else think the stoppages were premature? i mean, kawajiri ate 2 huge elbows but he didn’t look out of it…but really the daley stoppage seemed super early. thought the point deduction from mousasi was kinda bullshit since the “kick” looked accidental to me.

kawajiri was in rape vill…he was not gettin out.

daleys though was kinda bullshit…diaz got knocked down twice yet daley gets knocked down wit 10 seconds left…he was movin putin his hands up to defend. daley kinda got screwed imo.

Product is already watered down, look at the upcoming UFC cards. They give you 2 fights that have meaning if that, the others are “named” Tuffers or local guys.

Strikeforce fights are usually more action packed than UFC, because the cage is much smaller, no where to run when you get touched.

I’m looking at going to Las Vegas for a UFC, but the cards look like shit, compared to 3-5 years ago. Maybe I’m just burned out on too much MMA.

yeah, i feel like the time to stop the fight would’ve been when he pulled a mini-lesnar and fell untouched. if you’re not gonna stop it then, no point in waiting until he’s actually tryng to defend himself to do so.

Damn, I just hope the strikeforce buyout by zuffa won’t limit overeem doing K1. I want to see a rematch against badr because that 2009 fight was boosheet.

K-1 is dead, maybe Zuffa will buy that as well. There is a ton of fighters who have complained of non-payment, Overeem being one of them. FEG who ran K-1 lost their primary sponsor, and are looking for new ones.

:mad:

Remember, Rampage couldnt finish Jardine either.

Gegard CLEARLY won that fight.
He won every round, you can score the first round a draw round because of the point deduction.
Gegard is underrated, he is a quality fighter, just outside top 10.

Diaz punches hurt when he wants them to hurt, but often throws punches designed to distract to create openings.
He can also throw them fast and short, with no wind up, so they arent obvious.
He has a very unique style.
In real time, the punch he downed Zaromskis with looked like nothing.
But watch that shit in slow mo, you can see its fast accurate and has real power on it.
The body shots he was putting on Daley had hurt on em.

I read that K-1 combined with dream and got chinese sponsors. But I wouldn’t mind zuffa buying it as long as they at least gave the illusion of being separate entities w/ their own rules.

I’m thinking with Nick Diaz, is a thing I heard from Mike Tyson years ago when talking about his power. Mike Tyson said he punches through their face towards the back of the head, so even though Nick Diaz isn’t winding up and telegraphing his punches, he must be using his legs and driving through.

I can’t see anything else, because it looks like he isn’t doing much and the other guy is fucked off afterward, so he is doing something.:rofl:

He was training with Andre Ward on his Boxing as well.

knocked down, but remained in control. Daley got knocked down and started flopping around like a fish out of water. It actually kind of looked like he was emulating luigis torpedo dive from smash bros.