The Marvel Q & A - Rebirth

hmmm, now lets see what we have here.

Dan Hibiki power ratings are obviously low. Of course, his all around style of fighting ( it would be nice if someone was to post his fighting style, in which I forgot what it actually was - but I think it started with an “S” ) is nothing more than a mere show-off. The Gadouken must be done close, and his intelligence of combat isn’t to what a true warrior determines ( in ability to think on his/her feet… )

Great Analysis, I look foward to the other soon to be post ones…

TRAVIS: The name of Dan’s style, which is self-made/self-taught, is Saikyou-Ryuu, which translates to “The Strongest Style.” At least, it can translate to that, as I have no idea if it’s definitive or not as I got that from my Street Fighter Alpha 3 “Offical Fighting Guide”.

sano: I show of disagree about Dan. Mainly with the durability and speed thing, and even somewhat with the intelligence and fighting style part. About durability, I would think that Dan is 2, mainly with all the punishment that he takes. I mean, gauging by how he usually gets beat badly, he’s has probably as somewhat above average pain threshold. But then again, it’s only guess. Moving on, I think that he has normal speed. What makes you think that he’s that slow? The fact that his moves are slow (well, the ones besides any rolling that he does)? I just don’t see him being that slow.

Moving on the somewhat contest parts. I while I do agree with Dan being an idiot for the most part, 1 doesn’t sit “right” with me only the basis of the rating making it seem, at least to me, that one must be brain-damaged/handicapped to be 1. And about fighting style, technically, wouldn’t he be a 4, even if the style that he has mastered isn’t a very good one?

In other news, speaking of Polaris, here’s her biography, with a few modifications as this was before Magneto was revealed to be her father, however odd or absurd some people find it to be. Without further ado, even though she hasn’t appeared any Marvel game, whether it be fighting or not:

From where it leaves off, it’s revealed during the horrible “The Draco” arc, that her “bizarre new attitude” was caused due to extreme trauma that she suffered from being a ground zero of the genocidal Sentinel attack on Genosha, where she watched everyone die around her. This bizarre new attitude made her more powerful for a while at least in the fact that she didn’t hold back, caused her assault Annie, assault Northstar (she repeled him through the damned roof of the manor like a comet without a second thought), assault Alex after he rejected her at the alter, and kill some humans in that only slightly less absurd “Holy War” two-parter. It would have been interesting to see how she reacted to Magneto’s reappearance, but due to the seemingly bare minimum that continuity has been ironically reduced to. Anyway, I can’t tell you more than that because I pretty much stopped after I spending, perhaps wasting, my money on the three main titles after buying all six of the shit known also as “God Loves, Man Kills II”.

All of this was taken from www.uncannyxmen.net. Or more specifically,http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=58.

What are the Juggernaut’s power ratings out of that Marvel Encyclopedia? I’m talking about the old Juggernaut, not the new one that’s with the X-men.

The Dan thing was just an example. Prolly should of just used Norimaro and gave him all ones to avoid discussion…

I don’t think Jugs has changed that much that he’ll warrant a brand spanking new Power Rating. His strength is 7 and even though he’s a bit weaker now, it’s still 7.

Yes, that was the style name. In Dan’s mind, assuming that this style of combat is “The Strongest”, many teem to disagree with its meaning of purpose ( if you played alpha3, chose Dan and got to battle5 - Chun-li should challenge him. Beat her, and she claims to have been beatin’ by such a pathetic style…)

As for this Polaris, I don’t know much about the character in general. But after reading all that you wrote down, I now know more ( and the active links )

Wouldn’t his durability have been changed the most? I mean, it seems that at best it would be a 3 now, considering that he nearly died in that explosion within the arc of Uncanny X-Men that happended before he officially joined the team. Or did he get the forcefield back later?

Hmmm. The first Marvel Encyclopedia has Juggy before he was an X-Men and the second one has Juggy after he joined the X-Men. His Power Rating is exactly the same, and his Durability is 7. I don’t know whether or not to blame the Encyclopedia people or that horrible writer, ecpecially when it comes to Marvel Continuity. Chuck Austen wrote a story in X-Men Unlimited of how Sabretooth and Mystique met. YOU F****ING MORAN SABRETOOTH AND MYSTIQUE ALREADY MET IN A DIFFERENT WAY! Down Power Grade or no, I’m not beleiving that Juggy would be taken out by an explosion.

Speaking of Juggy, he just had sex with She Hulk! He the man! Okay Austen has his moments…

Regarding my Dan Rating since it keeps coming up, Capcom considers Dan a joke character and I based my ratings like so. Even joke characters in Marvel have normal ratings for speed and intelligence, etc. But Marvel joke characters are nowhere near as silly as Dan is hence my rating.

Intelligence - A rating Capcom would IMEDIATLY give to a joke character. Dan does know multiple languages, but to reinforce his joke status they would give him a 1 Rating all the same. A guy who thinks he is the strongest with nothing to back this up has to be a bit on the slow side.

Fighting SKills - ‘Some Training’ suits him well. An experienced fighter learns from his experiences and Dan does not. I wouldn’t say he’s a Master of a single form of combat either becaues he’s a Master of his own form of combat. I can run around and say I’m a Master of “Sanoism” but if I loose every single fight I have except for one somebody lets me win it means nothing.

Durability - Joke Rating for a joke character. There is no way you can actually know how fast Dan heals from his beatings officially unless you use unofficial sources. Using such, in Masahiko Nakahira’s Sakura Manga I’d say you’d be right with him healing up fast enough, but in the US Comic he seems to be in and out of the Hospital and even Sakura’s blows can hurt him bad. Without being 100% sure which story is more accurate I go for the Joke Rating.

Speed - Same Joke logic used here. I can’t think of one instance officially or no where Dan actually blocked or avoided getting hit with a blow unless you count the nobodies he beat up in that Sakura Manga and even then if memory serves, he’s never shown blocking or avoiding blows just beating people up.

This is all my opinion anyway, feel free to disagree.

Back on Topic, here are the Power Ratings for MVC2 Characters. These Ratings are from the Marvel Encyclopedias from Marvel themselves and what Marvel now considers to be official. The 2 Characters that are missing that have not been covered by any of the 5 Encyclopedias are US Agent(MVC1 helper and in MVSF he was a Captain America swap) and Shuma Gorath.

For US Agent, at one point he and Cap were the same person, but later they became 2 different people, as in someone else took up the name US Agent. You can probably use Cap’s Rating for him if you want since they probably are the same. Well, maybe Marvel will give Cap a slight edge with him being one of their main guys and all. Maybe when there’s and Encyclopedia based on Avengers we’ll get an answer.

And if you want to know what the Power Ratings mean, check my previous Posts on this Thread. Anyway, here they are. I Numbered them so I could keep track.

  1. Captain America

Intelligence - 3
Strength - 3
Speed - 2
Durability - 3
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 7

  1. Hulk (No Bio on Orange Hulk, the MVC1 Hulk swap. Capcom was smoking Crack when they thought up of that one!)

Intelligence - 6 (As Banner obviously)
Strength - 7
Speed - 3
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Iron Man

Intelligence -6
Strength - 6
Speed - 5
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 6
FIghting Skills - 3

  1. Thor (MVC1 Helper)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 7
Speed - 7
Durability - 6
Energy Projection - 6
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Thanos (Without the Infinity Gems/Gauntlet that he has in the games.)

Intelligence - 6
Strength - 7
Speed - 7
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 6
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Doctor Doom

Intelligence - 6
Strength - 4
Speed - 5
Durability - 6
Energy Projection - 6
Fighting Skills -4

  1. War Machine (I think the Golden War Machine swap in MVC1 was supposed to Iron Man. WELL, there has been a Golden Iron Man but he didn’t quite look like that… Ah well, Iron Man has a Rating Posted above anyway.)

Intelligence - 3
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 3
Fighting Skills - 5

  1. Spider-Man

Intelligence - 4
Strength - 4
Speed - 3
Durability - 3
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Venom

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 2
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 2

  1. Cyclops

Intelligence - 3
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Gambit (When he had powers. Currently he doesn’t have any.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 2
Fighting Skills - 3

(And this low Rating is with Gambit’s Powers! Oooh…)

  1. Iceman

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 3
Durability - 3
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 3

  1. Sabretooth (Currently Sabretooth has an Adamantium Skeleton which may or may not affect his Rating. There is no Bio or Power Rating for his Video Game Helper Birdy since she only appeared in Sabretooth’s first limited series and died really fast. She was a telepath. I still wish she had a bio though.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 2
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 6

  1. Sentinels (They have Bios but no Power Ratings. I guess this is due to them being mindless drones and there are many different Sentinel Robots at that. Marvel has given a Power Ratings for Ultron and Iron Man’s Sentient Armor, so I guess you have to be “Sentient” to get a Rating.)

  2. Jubilee (MVC1 Helper)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 4
Fighting Skills - 2

To be Continued Shortly…

sano:

Quick note: US Agent could life 10 tons and have superhuman resistance to injury. So he wouldn’t have the same stats as Cap.

Also, those power ratings: Are you rating the characters as they are now, or based on the versions of the characters that are in the game? It’s mostly minour, but for example, that Hulk with an intelligence of 6 would apply to the HUlk of MvC2, who’s based on the so-called Perfect Hulk, a supposed merger of the best elements of Banner, the Green Hulk and the Grey Hulk (later revealed to be another persona of Banner’s known as the Professor) that appeared in Hulk 377 to 425.

Also, that power rating for Gambit seems hilariously low, considering the crap that he managed to pull even back then (knocking out Gladiator? That STILL pisses me the fuck off).

Polaris is Mags daughter? Whatfuck? goes hunting for info

Continuing -

  1. Professor X - (Since he was Onslaught, I’m listing his Stats.)

Intelligence - 5
Strength - 1
Speed - 1
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 1

(Strength 1??? But being in a Wheelchair is supposed to make your arms strong from pushing it around! No, wait a minute. His Wheelchairs are always mechanized or float. Nevermind…)

  1. Rogue (When she had Powers. Currently she doesn’t have any.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 5
Speed - 3
Durability - 5
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Cable(He was called Soldier X for a while but as of this Month in the Udon colored Deadpool Cable crossover, he’s gone back to using Cable THANKFULLY.)

Intelligence - 3
Strength - 4
Speed - 2
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 6

  1. Storm

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 3
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 3

  1. Wolverine (There is no Bio for Wolverine without Adamantium, like the other Wolverine in MVC2. Without Adamantium he could heal his wounds a lot faster.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 2
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 7

  1. Juggernaut (Like I said before, his Rating is the same before and after he joined the X-Men.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 7
Speed - 2
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 3

  1. Magneto

Intelligence - 5
Strength - 2
Speed - 5
Durability - 6
Energy Projection - 5
Fighting Skills - 3

  1. Colossus (Currently he’s dead if you didn’t know that already.)

Intelligence - 3
Strength - 6
Speed - 2
Durability - 6
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 3

  1. Psylocke (She’s dead too. In her Bio and where her Powers are described, there is no mention of her Crimson Dawn Powers. Capcom did not change her Sprite, but in her artwork for MVC2 she did have the Crimson Dawn Mark on her face. My personal opinion is that Crimson Dawn Psylocke was a HORRIBLE IDEA so I don’t mind the Encyclopedias neglecting it…)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 2
Fighting Skills - 5

(Ah, pretty low Rating but even she beats out Gambit!)

  1. Apocalypse (He ‘merged’ with Cyclops and then Cyclops’ personality took over so he’s kind of dead, until some dumb writer decides to explore an ‘Evil Cyclops…’)

Intelligence - 5
Strength - 6
Speed - 2
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 1
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Marrow

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 3
Speed - 2
Durability - 3
Energy Projection - 1
FIghting Skills - 4

  1. Omega Red

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 2
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 3
Fighting Skills - 4

  1. Silver Samurai

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 2
Speed - 2
Durability - 2
Energy Projection - 2
Fighting Skills - 5

(Tied with Psylocke. Still beats Gambit’s Rating and Silver Samurai gets his Ass kicked all the time! Someone doesn’t like the Cajun…)

  1. Spiral

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 7
Durability - 3
Energy Projection - 6
FIghting Skills - 5

  1. Carnage (MVC1 Claims that the Venom Pallette swap is Carnage, but they are very very wrong! Here’s Carnage’s Stats anyway.)

Intelligence - 2
Strength - 4
Speed - 3
Durability - 4
Energy Projection - 3
Fighting Skills - 2

  1. Spider-Armor (The only swap Capcom got right as in this is exactly what Sider-Man wearing the Armor looks like! It’s mentioned in the Marvel Encyclopedia Vol. 4 with Artwork depicting it and a mini-bio but there is no Power Rating listed. This suit was destroyed by Acid.)

  2. Onslaught

Intelligence - 5
Strength - 7
Speed - 5
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 6
Fighting Skills - 2

  1. Blackheart

Intelligence - 7
Strength - 7
Speed - 7
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 7
Fighting Skills - 2

(BLACKHEART OWNS EVERYBODY! Note that he would get owned by Thanos if he had the Infinity Gauntlet like he does in the games.)

  1. Mephisto (Capcom claims that the Pallette Swap of Blackheart is Mephisto. It’s justified a little bit since Mark Texeria drew him this way before. If only he’d stop saying “Blackheart Rises!” in the Game…)

Intelligence - 7
Strength - 7
Speed - 7
Durability - 7
Energy Projection - 7
Fighting Skills - 2

(Like Father like Son! You better watch out for the Devil and the Antichrist! REPENT! REPENT!)

Due to the Massivness of this Project, I may have made a mistake here and there, so next week I’ll triple check everything and make sure everything is right. Sorry, Gambit! wasn’t wrong about that one. “Don’t mess with the Cajun!”

The Books reflect how strong the characters are when the books are written. Exceptions were made for Rogue and Gambit as their powers are listed. The first Encyclopedia came out in 2002 that has Hulk’s Power Rating. I THINK he was dumb Hulk at the time, but I’m not certain. I suppose with MVC2 we can go with these Power Stats, thanks for pointing that out!

I didn’t see the issue when Gladiator fought Gambit, but the thing about Gladiator’s Power and the way it works is that if he thinks he can beat you he will beat you. If he somehow doubts it he stands a chance of loosing. I still don’t think Gambit can beat him though.

Arguably, I think Gambit should of received a higher Speed Rating. I’ve seen him block bullets with his Staff. Well, that may lean more towards a better Rating for Fighting Skills, at least.

SFA 3 M.bison
Strength- 5
Fighting Skills- 5
Intelligence- 5
Durability- 6

Speed- 5

Is this Shin Bison or Regular? Shin Bison has a higher X-ism Psycho Crusher than the regular Bision Standard A-ism one.

If its just the regular bison, I’d give his strength a 4. Shin Bison’s Psycho Crusher takes about 75% of your health I think, the A-ism one takes around 50% or 60%.

I think bison depends on his Psycho Drive way too much. I’d give his fighting skills about a 3 for that.

Shin Bison.

I agree with SagatRyu’s rating of SFZ3 Shin M.Bison’s Fighting Skills.

The fact is, he was trained with 2 other students and wound up killing his Master. That already puts him above 3, and it’s obvious he’s an Experienced Fighter, so that puts him above 4. The fact that he killed his Master means he mastered his Fighting Style and that would give him a 5.

Being that SF is a game and all and most of the Characters only Master one Fighting Style, I don’t see many characters rising above 5. Exception being Gen, who mastered many animal type styles of Kung Fu. In the games he only use 2 but he should know a lot more.

Strength - I’d give him a 4. I don’t think he can lift more than 25 Tons.

Intelligence - 3. The Genius Ratings are usually reserved for Scientists and the like, and he’s always surrounded by a scientist no matter where you look telling him what’s up with brainwashing and Psycho Power, Clones, etc. You can argue he’s a genius at fighting, but Goku of DBZ is also considered a genius in fighting and I think he’d score pretty low since he seems slow in everything else. It does take some brains to run an Organization, hence my Rating.

Energy Projection - 5 - This is pretty obvious. He only uses Psycho Power.
Fighting Skills - 5 (See above)
Speed - 4 - I don’t think he can travel at the Speed of Light or else he’d destroy everybody within seconds. Mach-1, or the speed of sound is fast enough for his opponents.
Durability - 6 - It took a hole lot to take him down in SFZ3. If his Soul didn’t manage to enter Rose’s body he would of died, so he doesn’t get a 7.

All my opinion on M.Bison.

http://www.sky-flash.com/boom.htm

Sonic boom

speed 5 ( Mach 2/super sonic )

Yeah, I re-thought the speed thing. Since Magneto has a 5, I’ll give M.Bison a 5 too.

It’s still a hard thing to rate. The SF2 Animated Movie is said to accurately depict the speed of the Sonic Boom. M.Bison couldn’t dodge it, he had to teleport away from it, and if he was that fast he should of been able to dodge it. Since the SF2V Anime was made by the same people who made the Anime, M.Bison’s Psycho Crusher doesn’t seem as fast as that Sonic Boom even without him charging it.

Still, the problem with SF is we have to use unofficial stuff and guess work. I’ll give him a 5 anyways.

As promised, I triple checked my Marvel Tier Ratings. I got everything right except for one mistake. Originally I gave Iron Man a 4 for Fighing Skills when he should have a 3. I fixed that and edited my Post accordingly, so now everything reads exactly as it appears in the Marvel Encyclopedias.

Once again in case I didn’t stress this enough. All of those Power Ratings for Marvel Characters are from Marvel and not from me. I just copied the info from the Marvel Encyclopedias and put it here.

Cosmic Spider-Man’s Stats

Strength- 7
Fighting Skills- 4
Intelligence- 4
Durability- 7

Speed- 6

Agreed. For Energy Projection, I’d give him a 6. Let me check the Spidey Encyclopedia to see if Marvel gave Cosmic Spider-Man a Power Rating.

In the Next Issue of X-Statix, Captain America’s about to fight Anarchist. Poor Anarchict is gonna get the snot beat out of him.