Both GGPO and 2DF use the Final Burn Emulator which doesn’t emulate PS. So KoF2k2UM just won’t work.
The version of Garou on 2DF/GGPO is a neogeo game, which is emulated by FBA.
Actually, I forgot about the American Sports team. >_>
DG, I’d suggest just doing what FRXI is doing for SFIV.
Ban the chars, then legalize later if they aren’t broken.
BTW I think this is just the chars from appeared from 99-Neowave, so the Sports Heroes, Big, Krauser, and Eiji are out.
Geeses were console chars in Neowave/2k2 so they’re in.
or do it the old fashioned way and wait until the game comes out before talking bans
But what would the secret characters be? All of them including the bosses?
This.
I mean, good grief, can there at least be a thing where we give the game a grace period before we start throwing around the “ban hammer”? 
Just be aware this approach caused a big uproar about people wanting to just wait until people have actually played the game before banning something. So much so that talk on the subject is prohibited in the thread now (even spilled into the character specific forums for those characters).
I think people are more okay now a days with the wait and see approach rather than pre-emptive stuff. Now anything over the top broken gets a ban sure, but I think people are less iffy on just waiting on the borderline stuff.
Hey everybody I kno this guy wasnt on there but id like to see WolfGang Krauser on a kof game
he was in 98 um so i hope your joking
Well he’s kinda new. And new members tend not to do their research…
Update again this week.
-Yamazaki-
New move: Nejikomi. Winds up (slowly) and delivers a heavy body blow. Weak version does 33% guard meter damage on block; strong does 100%. Also a counter wire.
Mid Snake Charmer (qcb+B) startup reduced.
Low Snake Charmer (qcb+C) is a down attack.
Guillotine’s (qcfx2+P) hitbox expanded.
-Mary-
2 new moves: Stun Fang and Spin Heel Attack (both from RBS).
New MAX2: M. Infinity Rose.
Old MAX2 (M. Typhoon) changed to a normal DM.
Real Counter (qcb+P) has invincibility on startup.
D Vertical Arrow (dp+K) has increased invincibility and can be super-canceled.
-Billy-
New move: Hibari Otoshi (feint version of his qcb+P). Creates an anti-air explosion that can be juggled after.
Liar Elemental (MAX2) now has instant startup.
f+A hitbox shrunk and recovery increased.
-Iori-
KOF '99’s Ura 311 Shiki: Sakutsumagushi (qcfx2+K) returns.
New graphic effects on Homura Hotogi (MAX2).
Far D’s startup reduced.
Oniyaki (dp+P) has increased invincibility.
Kuzukaze (hcb, f+P) invincibility removed.
Saika (qcfx4+P from Ya Otome) damage reduced.
99~01 special intro vs. Kyo restored.
-Mature-
Despair (qcf+P) is usable in the air.
B Decide (hcf+K) can be special-canceled (but not into another Decide).
Far C restored to KOF '96 version and is cancelable on 1st and 2nd hit.
ECSTASY 816 (MAX2) startup reduced and now connects from strong attacks.
-Vice-
Overkill (MAX2) changed to a normal DM.
New MAX2: Carnival Corpse. A counter move with no super flash on startup.
Far C startup reduced.
Outrage (qcb+K) can be super-canceled.
-Vanessa-
Gaia Gear (MAX2) now does a wallslam and rebound similar to Rick Strowd’s Gaia Breath in RB2.
f+A cancelable on 2nd hit.
Cr. D no longer cancelable.
Machinegun Puncher (HCF+P -> mash P) hitstun increased. (Makes the MAX loop easier to do, but the damage should be far lower due to system changes)
A Dash Puncher (charge b, f+P) recovery increased.
-Seth-
KOF '00’s KOH-GETSU (air qcf+A) returns.
RAKU-GETSU (air qcf+B) and AN-GETSU (air qcf+D) startup reduced.
All air specials can be free canceled.
f+B and f+B xx f+A are now cancelable.
-Ramon-
Can perform Hiki Okoshi (last part of dp+K, dp+K, d, d+P) from Force of Will (qcb+K) on hit.
Standing CD is a counter wire.
Hypnotic Tiger (MAX2) startup reduced; connects from far standing strong attacks.
Normal move damage slightly lowered.
Next time: NESTS, Master and Clone Teams.
Hope they also restored Iori’s dp+K move from '99, more for completionist reasons than anything. SNKP’s done a good job so far of ensuring everyone has all of their moves from '99-'2002, there’s only a few I haven’t seen so far, like Yuri’s Raging Demon SDM from 2001, and Lin’s df+C command move from 2001.
Dude…would I be gay if I really shed tears when this game drops?
It just so beautiful…
-Vanessa-
Gaia Gear (MAX2) now does a wallslam and rebound similar to Rick Strowd’s Gaia Breath in RB2.
f+A cancelable on 2nd hit.
Cr. D no longer cancelable.
Machinegun Puncher (HCF+P -> mash P) hitstun increased. (Makes the MAX loop easier to do, but the damage should be far lower due to system changes)
A Dash Puncher (charge b, f+P) recovery increased.
hmm… not sure what to think
I really hope Mary’s supers don’t have shun goku satsu commands like they did in the original 2k2. I have no idea what eolith rolled in their blunts when they did that.
lt means to a degree people have to slightly alter the way they play with Vanessa…no cr.D cancels to sways or teleports or that other stuff. (It may get replaced by Cr.C lol)
I do like the F+A cancellable on the 2nd hit…thats 2000 like…meaning hitconfirms are MUCH MUCH EASIER.
Another negative is the recovery on Dash Puncher being reduced…this means people have to play Vanessa safer and less “off the wall” because less stuff of hers is safe…
On paper she looks weaker than Vanessa in KOFXI…but the jury is out on that. now I’m really looking forward to the “said changes” to the NESTS team…
Angel and Foxy…I wonder what they are gonna tell us about Angel… is it gonna be the obvious? (Infinite removed) and for Foxy (unblockable removed) or more?
-DG
Why did they nerf Ramon’s normal damage? It’s not like he was too good in OG 2k2
OH SHIT! MATURE WIT AIR-GAME!!! :woot:
… wonder if she can cancel off air normals?
See and thats what I’m not liking, I love my sways/teleports. The reduction on the dash punch is going to be a sligt bother
Extra for today: informal survey from the Japanese KOF 2002 @wiki page. Looks like it was written up pre-TGS since it doesn’t account for Nameless, Hiroaki doing the artwork, new stages/BGM, etc…
Thoughts on character balance?
Minimize differences if possible (164 votes)
Just don’t have another 98UM Krauser! (81)
Whatever happens can’t he helped (37)
Power up everyone (21)
Absolutely no problems (7)
Increase the differences (6)
Thoughts on weakening the strong characters for balance?
Agree (100)
Disagree (67)
Do whatever’s necessary (52)
Power up the weaker characters (15)
Don’t make them weak; do what’s appropriate (11)
Whichever is fine (10)
Hoping for an arcade release?
Yes (132)
Whichever is fine (43)
If it doesn’t hurt home-version sales (22)
No (18)
If the arcade version lags like 98UM (Type-X hardware apparently adds a frame of input lag), will you play it?
Whatever happens can’t be helped (88)
If I can sense the lag, I won’t play it (72)
It’s fine with the lag (17)
Put it on an Examu board (15)
I don’t go to the arcade (12)
It’s not of concern (11)
The lag isn’t a problem (6)
Thoughts on blockstun from hop/hyperhop strong attacks?
Keep it the same (108)
Shorten it like in '98 (48)
Whichever is fine (32)
A bit shorter (14)
Thoughts on infinites and 100% combos?
If they’re difficult to land, it’s OK (114)
They should be adjusted (66)
Don’t care about '02-level infinites (20)
They need to be reduced (19)
Absolutely no problems (7)
Thoughts on Angel’s meterless corner infinite?
Remove it (166)
Whichever is fine (42)
Scale it per hit (9)
Leave it in (4)
Thoughts on Choi’s MAX2?
Leave it in, but adjust it (98)
It’s fine (40)
Remove it (12)
Whichever is fine (8)
Do you want K9999 to appear?
Yes (145)
Whichever is fine (35)
No (21)
Make an official acknowledgement and obtain proper permission to use him (19)
Give him a different name (1)
Thoughts on Daimon and Chang’s ground pound combos?
Adjust the damage (52)
Goro can already cancel into his MAX2, so remove the bug or adjust the MAX2’s damage (41)
Remove it (27)
It’s not a problem (24)
Increase the damage (16)
Change the character illustrations?
Change them (81)
Shinkiro should do it (26)
They’re fine how they are (24)
SvC was fine; Nona should do it (21)
No character illustrations, just names (14)
Whichever is fine (11)
Hiroaki should do it (8)
Upgrade the music and production?
Upgrade them (130)
The music is obnoxious; get rid of it (17)
Whichever is fine (7)
Don’t need production values (7)
It’s good already (1)
What about all the miscellaneous bugs?
Leave in the ones that don’t impede the game (67)
(Can they even do it?) Get rid of them (20)
It’s fine how it is (6)
Whichever is fine (1)