friend of mine came over for some casuals, decided to record them with my out-dated digital camera. 
Criticism is appreciated. I know I shouldn’t be doing the random uppercuts, too many FA’s, and I’ll have to tighten up my links and execution. 
Besides that, critique away, lol.
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me v one of the best guiles in the Uk at a recent tourney. 3rd game I get mad impatient and jump in way too much. but any critisism is welcome.
thanks alot thegame4ever i understand where you re coming from me you pick some really good points out and i only i wish i had played smarter. me and seraphin-angel both got beat by the same guile player although he did alot better than me. funny thing was i managed to beat him in my groups but then i couldnt touch him in the winners bracket maybe he downloaded me lol!!!
Yes, the one main thing to beat a good Guile is patience.
Seraphin was doing well but something gave way and he went crazy. lol
Lol I can’t believe you. 1st, I play his Akuma often. 2nd, I know our options. Please tell me what are Akumas and Sagats options when a Sagat does a TK and dashs back? Also take in account that I delayed a bit, for what? If you can figure it out please stop saying that it was wrong to kara DP. In my video, I had 3 yes 3 EX bars with FULL health the scores was 1-1. Are you still going to tell me that those are waste of bars? What would happen if it hit, is that still waste of bars? From the way you was and are explaining things, it’s like you’re saying that Sagat NEEDS those bars to mash uppercut and escape from trouble.
Ok I watched the video. Are you saying that his kara DP was right and mine was wrong? lol… What would you have said if Valle blocked? Would that have been wrong and a waste of bars? You can carry on this debate if you wish but personally the way I see it, it looks like I’m being the bad person here so if you do wish to continue then PM me instead.
Because you asked for “Advice/constructive criticism” I’ll take a look at your video and help+actually got a lot of free time right now…
Rufus vs Sagat - lol I don’t understand why he would try a block string after a dive kick considering the ammount of times you uppercuted… First I’d like to start off by saying restrain yourself from uppercuting after a dive kick. A good Rufus will most likely delay throw until he knows you won’t uppercut. The risk/reward is not worth it against Rufus. The safest option you have against Rufus dive kick preasures is to cr.tech with mp. If he tries to instant dive kick after a block string to catch you trying to grab/spamming buttons/cr.tech(cr.short) then cr.MP will just knock him out. Just mix it up, the reward for Rufus landing s.HP xx Tornado is not worth the risk of uppercut unless you have bars to cancel.
You wern’t throwing enough tiger shots and up close you never put him in TK traps once. Your tiger shot preasure was weak to the extent where he wasn’t forced to jump. Also against Rufus and other characters, if you land a knee, throw high tiger then low. It limits his options and he’s going to be forced to block the low tiger in most cases unless he wants to jump and eat uppercuts or knees, extra 34dmg from blocked tigers. If you put him in a TK don’t be afraid to continue TK preasure. They’re safe if you throw s.LP after blocked knee, you’ll be blocking and in some cases if he does messiah when you’ve done knee he’s not in an advantage where he can start his mix up dive kick preasure. An example is at 4:35 - it’s similar to that I believe Sagat recovers a little faster and Rufus can’t preasure you again. Something else about low tigers is that normally Rufus will have to instant dive kick low tigers to move forward. If you see him get in the habit of that mix up with short low tigers. He’ll most likely dive kick into the low tiger. Another thing about short low tigers is that he’s not allowed to jump forward. An example in the video is 3:56 - that’s a guranteed kara upper/knee. If you’re both like up close but to far for your s.LK then use s.HK. If he tries to roll or cr.HP your s.HK beats it, he tries to jump it may knock him out of the air if not you have enough time to react for an uppercut. I believe for you to improve in this match up, you need to understand Sagats fireball properties. Record and see what fireballs are safe in terms of if you throw a tigershot and he blocks it, am I safe to throw another one and he won’t be able to hit me. Learn his fireball traps and don’t jump into Rufus there’s no need at times. Also I see you jumping back fierce once your close. If you’re scared of messiah just jump back mp it’ll beat messiah on your way landing. If you do somehow get a jump in do stuff like s.LP and dash back. If you see the messiah uppercut if you don’t just s.HK like I said before. There’s alot more to this match up but it’s best if you test stuff out in training and find out things for your self so you can understand even better.
Sagat vs Sagat - It doesn’t look like you understand the fireball game in this match up go training mode and see what tigers are safe or gets trade or whatever if you block or jump a tiger. You let him jump in far to much without punishing. Your fireball in this match up was really off. The only tigers I saw were lk, hk, hp and every tiger where you was at advantage or disadvantage I saw you throw fierce high tiger. I can’t say much because the Sagat you played didn’t understand the match up so I can’t give any advice for this. But if you do end up playing a good Sagat just know that you should low tiger under his high tiger. Jump low tigers but you shouldn’t really ever jump forward lol. No ones said anything on SRK but neutral MK is one of the main keys in this match up if you neutral jump low tigers. If you watch Japanese play Sagat mirrors sometimes you’ll see that they jumped up and a tiger hit them. The first time I remember seeing this I was like wdf you have enough time to see and block the tiger. Basically they’re taking the fireball instead of the juggle which can lead into more damage or which can lead to fireball traps. For example go in training mode with 2 Sagats. Go record and have the other Sagat full screen. Throw HK low tiger and then MK low tiger. Playback and as soon as you block HK tiger then hold up straight away. You end up getting hit. Do the same thing but this time do jumping mk and hit mk just when you’re about to land. You take the hit instead. Then you can react to what fireball your opponent throws so if he throws low tiger neutralize and if he throws high then throw low or just jump again lol. Also a friend also told me about jumping lp it also kind of works. PS DON’T EVER JUMP WITH MP. :annoy:
Abel vs Sagat - Always hold the button after you do a special move just incase they jump an example is at 8:15. If you ever do like s.LK fireball or knee or whatever always hold the button just incase they do jump then uppercut. Stuff like this can get you killed like doing s.lk into TK vs Zangief if you don’t hold the button and s.lk whiffed and the Gief backdashed… Always hold the buttons down. 8:54 lol was wierd when you never threw high tigers after a knockdown vs Rufus or Sagat but then Abel you did? Anyways it was safe to throw another tiger after you made him block the high. Don’t know what to say really wasn’t a good Abel. If you see a Abel roll then you can react and cr.MK uppercut/fireball/knee. You should be using s.HK,s.LK,s.MK alot more in this match up these really fuck Abel.
I guess that’s it… No offence to your friends/opponents but they wern’t that good. Don’t mean to be rude but you would rather hear the truth if you wanted advice right? I think lol. I think you need to work on your fireball game and just to know your options. You jump in for no reason at times when you can preasure with other stuff. I’d advise you to test out fireballs in training and find your own fireball traps. Believe me there’s alot in this game with Sagat. All in all, GO TRAINING MODE, it’s your best friend in SFIV. I hoped I help and sorry if I didn’t say other stuff but there’s stuff people need to keep to themselves if you know what I mean. Like when top players aren’t sharing their own secrets on SRK. :rolleyes: But I’m sure you’ll find out a lot in training mode. I don’t wanna go back and read what I’ve posted so forgive me if there’s any mistakes in grammer or whatever. I’m at the point where I don’t care what I write now so…
Hey thanks for droppin some “secrets”. I was not quite aware of the things that can happen with mk TS and the like…I guess I too shall enter training mode and give all this a whirl.
And holding down the button during option select s.LK>TS causes the TS to not come out if they jump??? Hm…more training mode.
Thanks slizzle for the contribution. Post up some more vids of yourself using TS’s to what you describe as their full potential please…if you got time.
Would really like to see more examples of abusing my tiger shots and recognizing @ what distances I can not get jumped at…
**Also…Alioune hasn’t gotten back to me yet so I was wondering if any other sagats out there have an answer to my question up there about c.MP vs c.LK as meatys.
Their benefits/detriments and if one is necessarily better vs certain characters and why?
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Thanks a lot for the advice Slizzle, it really helped. This tourney there were few top players entering besides my team, so this team ended up being in the final. So I took the final as training mode, and I knew my opponent’s mindset well.
vs. Rufus: he never baits my reversal uppercuts, so I kept doing em. Unfortunately our top Rufus player has switched back to Bison so I just face a lot of mediocre Rufus, so it’s basically ‘play as you want’. That cr.mp tech is very useful, and yeah I should work on my s.LP tiger knee traps, an essential component to this matchup, unfortunately there’s no opponent strong enough with Rufus to motivate me to get to it, but it’s always great to know and have in mind.
vs. Sagat: This is someone who’s main was Ryu but was picking Sagat to ‘cheap it up’. I was waiting for the high tigers but they barely ever came. I do low tiger if someone throws a high tiger at me, but he was content on low tiger and getting hit by my high tigers. Your HK low tiger MK low tiger was very interesting, if you can suggest low-tiger traps at mid-screen that’d help my game a lot ( I refrain from using low tigers at that range due to being jumped at and not being sure I’ve recovered in time).
vs. Abel: This Abel already eliminated two great Sagats with his uncanny ability to land the ultra. [media=youtube]W7P3T5Pw-Q4[/media] 7:56. I threw the high tiger as bait for his ultra. This tourney was a while ago so I wasn’t used to throwing high tiger on knockdown vs. certain characters but it’s something that’s second nature to me now. If I threw another high tiger are you sure I wouldn’t be tagged with ultra? (I certainly as hell wasn’t risking it lol).
Thanks a lot for your critique, it’s exactly what I was looking for, and no problem if there were any grammar mistakes lol. And about Kara DP, to each their own style. You figured it was worth it, I figure it’s not, it’s pointless to argue since to each their own style of play, so my apologies on that. Look forward to more of your videos after you get better with stick.
I think Sagat’s tiger uppercut should do more damage. His tiger knee could also use more priority than what it has. I also think his defence and health should be higher. Moreover his ex tiger shot should be his normal one and the ex version should do more damage and shouldnt allow you to quickstand. Plus his focus attack should have a wider hitbox and it should stun as quick as cammy’s or fei long’s. Also he should be able to kara in to a high jump like viper’s. He also needs faster walking speed and a way better dash.
Wow someone trolling in the sagat forums trying to be sarcastic about sagat being broken about 13 months after the games release. Never heard that shit before bro.
Naa its just a joke… I know everyone knows already lol
LOL your so FUNNY!
Hi guys! :wgrin:
I’ve done a little combo video for fun…nothing special but i used this for a test, i’m thinking to do another one before SSF4 maybe with a lot of char. BTW enjoy :tup:
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cya!
free1up…you’re the guy that lost to dsp right? Good job…and welcome to the BEAST forum ***.
does anyone here have recent vids of themselves playing chun lis?
Comment/critique plz, thanks in advance. And yes I know my anti-air shoryukens were weak I wasn’t confident that day in that aspect.
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you are doing things like crossup knee -> tiger knee, do link combos, kara stuff every time…
yet you keep jumping in and you have trouble antiairing? and your opponents seem to have trouble antiairing you too?
and nobody is even TRYING to play footsies
this is abosultely bizarre you need to work on your basics a LOT MORE.
or was this played on a laggy HDTV? it seems like it and that would explain the bizarreness.
you need to NOT JUMP IN though seriously and play the ground game. Jumping in on street fighter against good players will get you 100% murdered. play footsies and dont be tempted by the seemingly easy damage of a jump-in. play a fireball zoning game, you need that too.
you should consider playing Super Turbo against good people, it will force you to learn good basics and fireball zoning.
in short you have very good execution and are doing all sorts of crazy things that are hard to do but honestly you need a much better thought process behind it. think more when you play, do less.
just stop for one second and look at what is happening, look at what your opponent is doing, react, and play accordingly.
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A recent tournament, that was held for a couple of weeks ago =)
Please comment/critique please ^^;
jump less, you’re jumping at times when there’s no reason to, you’re just lucky your opponent is not antiairing you (on the otherhand if you opponent isn’t doing it in a tournament go ahead and take advantage of it lol)
the repeated tiger knee traps aren’t that good vs. better ryus because they will just do c.mk to go under the knee and then you gonna eat srk fadc ultra. you are very very good at doing them but you need a large toolset to work with. work on your footsies and how you approach on the ground.
if you are throwing fireballs after every fireball put in a tiger uppercut motions and then wait for them to do something like jump and then you can tiger upper them much easier.
also you nearly never use throws or the overhead. they aren’t very good tactics but the opponent is blocking low soo much that hes just asking for you to do either and you should use everything in your toolset.
Ah, ok. thanks alot for the info ^^;
I will keep it in mind, the next time i play 
Thanks again =)
shit on my sagat please! well tell me what i need to work on
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Theres more videos of us playing on his channel