Meh, there’s always a follow up neutral jump should he try to throw. I’ll take that. Also, I’m disputing the idea that you don’t have frame advantage. I think you can do better than such an early j.hk on this set up.
i had actualy quite success against thawk with MP it winns against everything and you can combo after quite well all his reversalls wiff and you can slide punish the reversals easy and get in the same situation again
never tryed mk against seth soo…
my last finding was f+lk is quit a good one against the “normal” cast^^
@Chron, great job on the strategy guide. So I was watching the Wildcat v. Honda video again. What a great match. I still think c.mp will help in that match against butt slam. Also, you could mention in the strategy guide that Honda is vulnerable to air reset oil dives. Plus, I think you suggested Dhalsim can be oil dived on wake-up. Not the case. Dhalsim is like Blanka, Honda and Cammy. (Although you can dive him on air reset). I’ll be reading through your guide to see what stuff I can glean. Looks like a lot of useful info!
Honda is realy Vunerable to Meety Slide he does not hafe much answers to it without meter
When you’re oiled, you can backward DNC after meaty slide, too, if you’re worried you’re a little late and don’t want to get thrown.
Dear all
Do you guys have any solutions against scrubby Ryu or Ken. Nowadays, I got so raged by the people who have decent combos strings with jabs/shorts and cr mp combo with no opening in between which make me block all the time and then mixing with normal grabs and crossup grabs or tick grabs. I try to tech but often get hit by combo while teching according to the attacking rhythm. The frustration comes from all these blocking and tick throws.
They often do neutral jumps follow by mK or mp in the air preventing me from command grab. To counter, I try to air grab or HP or mp poke but does not succeed more than 60%.
oil slides get thrown after blocking or jabs out even when I use LP slide. In the best situation, I tech the throw.
Also when i try Oiled up + cr lp tick+ oil rocket, if the opponent is mashing DPs. I get punished
A typical example video is here
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wildcat vs gTeam0111
I am not very good against Ryu personally, so the only thing I can add is that Wildcat didn’t FA backdash normal cancel jump kicks, when I think he should have.
Also, I have sucked lately anyway, so I’m anxious to get advice myself.
[edit]Actually, despite Wildcat losing, watching that vid helped me beat a decent Ryu today. Well, maybe not decent but I crushed him in the 3rd round, anyway.
Try watching this vid of Wildcat beating a really good Ryu: [media=youtube]ER_W3NY7I20[/media]
As a side note, you can EX slide ultras and supers and hp slide a blocked c.hk. Try to master unoiled EX slide as well as oiled EX slide. That’ll help against Ryu.
As far as avoiding tic throws, do you know about the OS c.lk? That helps a lot.
I am using ps3 joyspad and I recently bought madcatz te stick but couldn’t play very good with it. I often get too excited and panic which render myself to make accidental jumping or unnecessary command. My dashes inputs are too slow to connect ultras.
Ex-slides are good but I couldn’t time properly after I block the cr mk which I can hit ryu under the fireball.
As far as the Back FADC+LK trick, often I am not oiled so can’t not perform it. Even If I do get oiled it is hard for me to get the LK after FADC. It does not come out consistantly. I am not sure about the timing for pressing LK but Just press LK as fast as I can after dash. It must me quick. As for the back FADC+mp, It is easier for me to get it out but still not 100%.
Regarding the tick-throw, opponents can vary their tick time or just throw you with mixing or without mixing crossover, The OS throw is great but I often get hit when I try to press it in the rhythm of the attacks. The teching does not always work and i can get hit while teching.
It sounds to me like you just need some practicing. I’m not sure if you’re looking for a technique that’ll beat all of your opponent’s mix ups, but Hakan is a hard character to play, and even harder to be consistent with. It took me a long time to start beating even scrubby players.
It takes a lot of control over your spacing and timing to make sure your opponent can’t get in on you for free. Of course they can vary their throws and ticks. You have to always be wary but most of all patient. If you land a c.lk on them when they’re right in your face, use the most out of that opportunity. Throw out a couple more jabs or s.MP to let them know they can’t just move in on you for free. As far as them mixing up neutral jumps, s.HP usually works for me, but an equally good alternative is f.MP. A lot of your troubles seem to be timing and execution errors. Practice, practice, practice and a lot of these techniques will become more viable.
Try this (look at the number pad on your keyboard for reference, if you don’t know): 6,6,4,7,8,9,6,3,2,1,4. In other words, dash, plus 360 shortcut, plus 360=quick dash ultra. Much easier.
Recently, I am having trouble for the blanka matchup. Some people wrote that it is easy matchup for Hakan but i found it is very tricky to win if blanka just baits with short roll and hit electricity which make me guessing between grab,hit or electricity.
One typical example video is [media=youtube]UjD825tmc_s[/media]
I have try to f mk, f LK or stand mp to hit before he lands but i find that helps but does not guarantee for victory at the end.
Matchup against Abel is also hard. From some youtube videos, The only solution to evade from tornado throw during mixup is to back dash for a reset when he is too sticky and try to attack him after knock down.
Try c.lk and throw him after. I’ve seen Wildcat do that.
Yup… Check out Chron’s strategy guide. It’ll help… some.
I dunno bout the Abel matchup anymore.
Past 2 tournaments I’ve attended I’ve been up against the same Abel main, and even though they were close sets, I somehow managed to pull out the win.
It really boils down to who gets a KD first… Abel rapes you on wakeup yeah, but you can rape him too. I guess all I can say is work on it. (preferrably offline)
I don’t think Hakan can rape Abel to the same degree. It’s not like Abel has the weakest wake-up game. That said, I’ll try to keep an open mind. Got any vids or tips?
Really from the offensive/oki standpoint, Hakan has a pretty large advantage. you have…
Meaty DDT (preferably raw). This beats all reversals (all rolls as well). Can’t crouch, can mash normal or backdash (ultras also but thats not always a threat obviously).
Aside from crouch deterrent, you have meaty f.fp which beats normal mashing but loses to ex TT and is escaped by roll (this is even considering the Abel will reversal)
Also, you have crossup/normal jumpin; and when I say crossup, I mean a literal crossup and not the pseudo safejump. This also is a constant threat to Abel.
Note: All of these can be set up from the same thing: walk forward, s.lk, -insert move-. Feel free to manipulate as you wish.
You really do have the potential to fuck Abel up on wakeup, you just have to practice everythng from uncrouch ddts and crossups in order to maximize it. It isn’t impossible.
And from a general standpoint, calm down when fighting Abel. It’s what I’ve learned to do and its much better for the matchup. Who cares if you get TT’d? Whats so bad about that? A little damage? Yeah, I mean, it sucks, but it’s not as much damage/stun as youd get from a full combo from trying to escape with something; it’s also a lot harder for Abel to try and really gain anything aside from tick throws, and once you establish his ticks, then you can start jumping.
/statingobviousActually, Abel is the weakest character versus Hakan’s meaty Oil Dives.
Well, these are good tips. The idea of calming down sounds like what I’ve been thinking about with regard to Abel. I’m a bad source for who is hard to beat anyway, because my Hakan game has gone to pot. I can’t seem to get past 2200 pp anymore, when at one time, I was at 3100 :P. I’m sure it has a lot to do with me not being in it mentally. Maybe I need a break from the frustration and just practice offline or something. Maybe my controller isn’t very good… well, it’s definitely not very good. One of these days, I’ll get an arcade stick.
By the way, when Abel does backdash, what do you recommend? I would like to punish him badly in a way that’s not terribly dangerous. I’ve been thinking about just doing a j.hp to beat both jump and back dash, but I’m not sure if it’s viable to be able to also get him on air reset with an oil dive. You’d have to quickly confirm whether they dashed or jumped, because the timing is quite different. On the other hand, a jump attack that hits characters as their dash ends varies from character to character. That sucks! You can’t have a single set up :P.
@BP/PP
please save us the crap about the points they tell you nothing…
@Mordie-Kai nothing against you some posts are nice but do you notice your spamming the forum with many worthless informations ? please a bit less quantity and a bit more quality 
@Abel
OIL UP plain and simple the Matchup improves a lot with Oil for Hakans Favour abel is althou pretty fulnerable against meety slides and specialy against f+HP (oiled) it at least trades with his specials and pokes and then it is a devastating daming move
Try to keep him around midscreen! F+HK range at least and zoon him
Use your throws not as reversal throws as long as he use his throw often… and try OILED EX-DDT if you see his mk dash in throw it is throw invincible
Well, the fact that I keep losing and feel frustrated a lot when I play tells me a lot :P. I did a little better today, though, actually. Not much but a little.
This may be the only time oiled EX ddt is useful! Anyway, the other trick is if he does his mk-dash, wait for the c.hp, block and buffer the ultra 1 into your block. If you do the ultra 1 fast enough, his hit box is still big from him having not recovered from his c.hp. If you’re a tiny bit slow, you whiff.
For those that don’t know, the trick is block @4, ultra 1 by going 4,6,9,8,7,4,1,2,3,6… or something to that effect. You may be able to do it other ways, but that works well for me. (Honestly, my ultra 1 abilities have sucked pretty badly, but it’s coming around finally).
"@Abel
OIL UP plain and simple the Matchup improves a lot with Oil for Hakans Favour abel is althou pretty fulnerable against meety slides and specialy against f+HP (oiled) it at least trades with his specials and pokes and then it is a devastating daming move
Try to keep him around midscreen! F+HK range at least and zoon him "
Don’t you get TT after he blocks the slides? I don’t do f. HP so often, maybe that is the problem. What is the timing for throwing a sliding f.HP. I found that the HP is a bit slow.