Thank you very much for the advices. People are so nice here. Right now my hakan is around 8500bp and stay around there. I would like to reach 10000BP cause I like very much hakan and playing style ( like grabbers like Daemon,ralph, in KOF ). I don’t like so much gief or T-hawk.
As for the punish of Blanka roll, Which speed of his roll can I punish with HP slides without he can block it.
Is Ex-oil slide better (faster).
Have you tried Abel? That dude is no slouch.
Shhh, lets keep him on the hakan train 
You can punish every single version with HP Slide. EX Slide is a waste of meter.
An excellent bait for EX tiger uppercut after slide/press is backdash, tiny step forward, early j.hk. It will trade with regular uppercuts, but cause EX to whiff underneath you. Plenty of time to punish with slide or EX dive. Also, after slide/press backdash, an immediate f.j.mk will stuff all regular tiger uppercuts (!), air reseting Sagat for an uncrouchable mk oil dive or whatever. Bit dangerous, though, due to him possibly just blocking and throwing or EX uppercutting. Still, good if he decides he wants to trade every time with j.hk, which he likely wouldn’t mind doing. Combine this with some backdash, oil dive shannanigans.
I gave Andy a video of me playing a Sagat (badly), but beating him badly in the 3rd round using this technique.In that case, I accidentally had the EX uppercut whiff, which is where I learned how to do it. (Of course, I just stood there like an idiot and didn’t punish. Bit surprised that it happened).
Sorry I’m at work right now so I can’t test this. What if he does Tiger Knee? Does it trade, counterhit? All Tiger Uppercuts whiff when you whiff mk -> j.hk so I guess what I’m trying to ask is what is the added bonus?
From my experience, mk, j.hk isn’t very useful, because they usually just duck. Can’t do that against this set up. Also, j.mk stuffs tiger knee, but j.hk tends to lose to it (only slight damage).
I’m hoping this is something to build off of, seeing as Hakan’s slide/press wake-up games against Sagat are shaky at best. I had no idea j.mk had any chance at all stuffing tiger uppercuts much less did I know that a j.hk at that range/timing would cause EX uppercut to whiff. I think that’s the big pay-off, because it is very tempting to do a wake-up EX uppercut after a slide/press backdash, due to both the potential subsequent jump or perhaps the occasional oil dive.
Now here is a find: if you’re oiled, against Sagat, press back as you do the s.mk after slide/press, causing a slight backslide. You will punish Sagat if he ducks your j.hk, and he still whiffs all tiger upper cuts. Plus, you counter all knees. Superb.
[edit]Dry, do this with c.mp. Why are we using s.mk again? S.mk is lame against Sagat.
I’ve been playing around with Sagat for a little bit and I think I’ve found a great wakeup move.
After slide followup, whiff a fwd.lp and do an early j.hk. All Uppercuts whiff, all Knees get counterhit AND stay on ground (including EX), and it hits Sagat when he’s crouching. I really wish I could post videos of it, but it works.
Not only that, but you can switch j.hk with j.lk or j.mk and tick into a throw/U1 and all the same properties apply.
What do you guys think?
I think s.mk sucks, so c.mp or f.lp are much better.
Luckily I played a sagat online and tested out the fwd.lp. It works but with online delay it is very hard to get perfect and if it’s not perfect you can be punished by uppercut. c.mp makes it a whole lot easier. With c.mp, all uppercuts whiff and all knees are counterhit on ground. Needs to be an early j.hk. The only trade off with using c.mp is that Sagat can down+back crouch to get out of it. You cannot combo into c.mk
EDIT:
Nevermind, c.mp can still get crouching Sagat if timed correctly. c.mp is way easier, forget fwd.lp
c.mp will also be in my guide coming out for T. Hawk. All tomahawks whiff, condors get counterhit, and it will hit crouching Hawk.
what exaktly are you talking about? it does sount like bullshit but im not so aggresiv anymore please explain what you mean and then i MAYBE say bullshit
We’re talking about after a slide followup, whiff a c.mp instead of a mk and do an early j.hk. This is against Sagat.
Bullshit? What exactly are YOU talkin about?
im talking about the MK against whom would somebody ever use a MK as buffer? it moves to faar foward so you can not hit the enemy except sagat but against sagat its unsave
the mp works but its only a overhead (and loos against ultra1 and no ambigiuos crossover or am i wrong`?
Check the japanese thread. Because Sagat and Seth are taller characters, you have to whiff mk instead of mp. We’re saying that mk isn’t that great and c.mp is better. You can’t whiff mp against every character
Yeah, s.mk and s.mp are crap against Sagat. C.mp is way better. It’s just comforting and warm and fuzzy to use it plus you get to mix in the deep hk, lk oil dive once opponents start blocking :). Played a bunch of battles against my bro. (who came by to visit). Definitely helps.
Also, poor T.Hawk. This technique might change the battle to 6-4 in Hakan’s favor. How about Seth? I hate that battle. I haven’t tried this out on him yet. Probably work well.
[edit]Speaking of Sagat, f.mp uncrouchable air reset dive works against jump attacks.
For the taller frame characters I’ve always used walk forward a bit, cr.lk. Works for every one of them.
It’s great for baiting reversals, but against T. Hawk and Seth it kind of puts you in a shitty position. If they block, you don’t land in time for a true block string with a short or jab. Basically, if you don’t jump or back dash after they block, you eat a SPD.I still use it against Seth, but against hawk it’s kind of risky when you could grab some oil and back the hell up.
I’ve been testing the slide/press c.mp technique, j.hk. You can combo with it just fine. You don’t need to move forward against these guys at all. The j.hk changes your hit box, so the srk’s whiff.
against Seth, whiffing mk already causes srk to whiff and counterhits everything else. It would be interesting to see which whiff (c.mk or mk) will make it easier to punish a teleport with slide on reaction. (I guess which whiff will you be lower to the ground when you activate j.hk?)
Oh I wasn’t really harping the set up’s combo ability or anything. I was just saying that because of Hawk and Seth’s larger frames, if they just block it doesn’t put you in the greatest position, Hawk especially. It puts you right next to him (where he wants you to be) and not even at enough frame advantage to get a s.lk as a true blockstring. So really, all the pressure you are applying is a single j.RH that puts you in the exact place hawk wanted you to be. If you have oil and can BDNC it might be a different story though. Like I said though it is still great for baiting reversals if they don’t know that they will whiff. But in general, if they’re just going to block it, it might be better going for the oil and back dashing out of there.
Seth is a slightly different story story just because he won’t rely on SPD as much and he has a much different game plan than T. Hawk, so I’ll throw it out a lot more often, but you still have to be a bit careful.