They are former cops. Not current cops. They gave up their shields already. Their duty was to report someone suspicious to the police, not patrol the streets with loaded guns like a militia. If they found something of alarm they should have reported it.
His past has absolutly 0 justification in these two approaching him with loaded weapons. I disagree with your reasoning here 100%.
I won’t say with absolute certainty this was racially motivated, but I would bet good money it played a very large part.
What you think or how you feel, doesn’t change the reality that people face day to day. You constantly ignore and dismiss the situations people go through because of racism. Being better, being strong isn’t going to make someone that wants to do you harm in some way because of your race disappear.
And it’s painfully obvious you’ll never understand that, ever. You harp about being unbiased and it’s simply apathy and illogical.
My wording here was poor but okay yes that is where the fault lies. Former cops doing things like a cop would but performing a risky move with a law that allows it but is rarely used. You’re free to disagree but it’s what I could make an argument for. I personally wouldn’t but then again, when you go in to perform an arrest I don’t know what I may be getting into.
If I reach for your weapon after you told me to stop, what do you think may happen?
Shit wouldn’t fly for any black person trying this on someone white. But he’s black so he better comply with someone who has zero authority over his actions.
bruv, that’s being 4chan tier right now. a LOT of white peeps have that look and it’s from a side view. you’d think if this was the case, he’s had a full frontal of him with some white nationalist thing (because those peeps don’t hide it)
You arent a cop so i would hope you wouldnt put yourself in this situation in the first place.
My issue is people bringing up this guys past. It doesn’t matter. Their research doesn’t matter. They weren’t cops they don’t have the authority to be creating dangerous situations where people might get hurt in the name of the law.
The only reason this guys past is being brought up is to try and make him look bad and the shooting justified.
It wasnt. They never ever should have approached him with loaded guns. They created the situation that lead to this man’s death. It’s their fault 100%.
You can make the argument, but its a stupid ass argument imo. Even if he deserved it what if they missed and killed an innocent person all because they wanted to be cops again.
here is where you didn’t point out that Ahmaud reached and grabbed the gun.
You saying they needed guns to defend themselves immediately makes the situation wrong. No where in the law does it justify you arming yourself to arrest someone for self defense.
Don’t even know citizen’s arrest laws or how they work. You tell the person I’m holding you till officers get here and don’t use force where the situation doesn’t call for it. IE brandishing a weapon or setting up a blockade are not a part of it. The arrest needs to happen in the appropriate time frame(not chasing them) and you have to be the owner or be given permission by the owner. He was supposedly a football field away from the location where it took place. They had no right to stop him.
None of this was done right and race wasn’t a part of the equation??? Ok.
The actual law states you can face prosecution for undue harm, injury or death. NOTHING was done until the public saw the video.
But this is going off topic…nothing to do with the case. My only point on this is maybe just MAYBE, some of it wasn’t as what you thought it was. Unfortunately that goes into a more deep discussion about individual experience but again off topic with what I have been talking about here.
I hope I never have to…the ONLY way I ever would is to prevent my own home from being invaded and even then the circumstances will vary. I know you said his past shouldn’t matter but statistically speaking it didn’t help with what happened to him. while he did criminal things, I do believe the two guys acted in bad faith. I don’t believe still it was racially charged BUT there’s a possibility. Never said they couldn’t ever be, it’s just there’s still no evidence.
I agree they effed up there. Not racially charged. If I was the one who was shot and pulling your gun away would that be because of race? yes? no? I don’t know? look my whole point was it wasn’t racially charged because no evidence has arisen and your next paragraph shows no proof bruv. In 2 months NO ONE COULD FIND A HOOD? a patch? a clear picture? nothing? C’mon
How was it not racially charged? You keep bringing up how they’re former police, then they know the fucking laws when it comes to citizen’s arrest and they knew what they were doing was wrong. They didn’t care and set out with one objective in mind.
They had no grounds to approach him armed or asking any kind of questions. Who wouldn’t feel threatened and try to defend them self?
How you bring up the police history, their research and citizen’s arrest but choose too ignore every instance of them fucking it up and having zero justification is baffling. Telling you the actual laws of citizens arrest and how it works isn’t evidence?
I ain’t trying to, I saw what the video had, learned that the media will blow up and wait for the dust to settle before making my statement. People will see what they want to but I do believe it was due to being poor citizens who thought they had to be a hero. Yes it’s POSSIBLE but no evidence has been brought up. That’s all.
If they didn’t accost him and threaten to use force we might not be having this discussion.
If you stop me with a weapon unidentified as a peace officer and expect me to comply you are grossly mis-characterizing the human fight or flight response.
Race didn’t have to be a part of the equation. This whole incident is stupid in rare form. They were wrong in the literal sense to do this.
You can take that position. However, if we are going to say that since we can’t “confirm” therefore it was not, taking a comprehensive look at what motivated these two should bring it into question. If we can bring up video evidence of Ahmaud cursing out the police or stealing a TV to support that
we can then say that the reports of the two guys who murdered him posts on social media allude to them racially targeting someone.
That’s all.