Personally I see no difference in staying slim or toning up, aesthetically speaking in terms of sexual attraction.
Happened to me to in 7th grade. This girl in English class wouldn’t stop grabbing my junk, and I couldn’t say anything, because if I did we would both get in trouble and I would most likely have gotten made fun of for not wanting it.
As you said, we would have been punished, and I’ll even add, possibly charged with sexual assault.
It’s totally fucking retarded.
hey op, first post was tl;dr. so here are some pictures of what i assume what this thread is about. courtesy of tumblr
4 is definitively the most boyish in my eyes.
The 5th really isn’t even that boyish to because you can clearly see her breasts. That and it takes more than short hair on a girl to have me be convinced she’s boyish, much like it takes more than long hair on a male to convince me they are girly.
All of them I find attractive except for number 4.
I find them visually appealing, if you know what I mean but not attractive in the sense that automatically would want to know them.
I would have to get to know that person first before becoming attracted to them.
It’s weird, I know. 
Then again she reminds me alot of my friend, so there is that. 
First is clearly a chick due to the curvy hips, automatically the most attractive in that case. 2nd and third I can’t quite tell, I’m willing to bet both the 2nd and 3rd are male even though the 3rd has a slightly perky chest.
Then again I wouldn’t be surprised if they were all female.
Something that really confuses me, or at least frustrates me is the fact that, when you look up the word “gender-queer” or “gender-fluid” it is almost always dominated by FAABs~ (female assigned at birth), who can enjoy that gender variance with such ease. It is almost impossible, if not rare for a MAAB to do this, unless they are lucky genetically, or have some disorder that prevents testosterone from changing/damaging/altering their bodies into a permanent form of physical male expression.
Transwomen have the hardest time in this world for similar reasons, and when they can’t even pass, can’t even enjoy or play with the concept of gender ambiguity because testosterone simply causes too many male cues, while genderfluid women can enjoy boyish features, because ‘boyishness’ is what MAABs were before puberty in the first place.
The ONLY solution to this, would be if transwomen were allowed to have testosterone blockers before puberty, but they can’t (at least in the US) through legit means, and it’s a freaking nightmare for them once their voices drop and their bodies alter and it becomes this hopeless chasing of a unicorn for the rest of their lives just to achieve what some cisgirl can do with a short haircut, jeans and a T-shirt.
I met a woman who felt she was male, identified as one in many ways, but decided she wants to still be seen as a woman. She wants to remove her breasts, express male, but is completely comfortable with still saying she’s a woman and keeping her female identity and being a lesbian. I’m like, that’s great. You’re a transsexual male, but don’t want to deal with the stigma of being a FTM, and you can get away with it because you’re FAAB and society is totally cool with it. You’re a woman despite rejecting your womanhood, but heaven forbid a MAAB do this. There’s no way. There’s absolutely no fucking way a transwoman can even partially get away with this. To get surgery top and bottom, and somehow still have the gall to say he identifies as male. It’s brutally, ridiculously unfair~
I don’t even know if this is discrimination toward men, or women~ or just a brutally specific form of denial to a small percentage of people (transwomen) that nobody really gives a fuck about. It’s sad, it really is~ and because it doesn’t peak most people’s sexual interests (“Are they hot? No? I don’t care.”) It isn’t even talked about. Nobody cares. The only way for a transwoman, or a feminine-male to even exist happilly is to not only transition fully to pass, but also achieve a level of beauty beyond many cisgirls just to exist. While a transguy can be fat, have a neckbeard, or wear whatever because who cares?
I dunno, I shouldn’t be so emotional about this~ I apologies in advance.
I’ve not heard of this. Domination of FAABs with the term genderfluid and genderqueer.
It’s just a typical thing from what I’ve seen, in any genderfluid community. I’m sure there are just as many maab genderfluid people, maybe more in any other given group or community. However, vocal, or public representation online just seems smothered with faab when it comes to this. I think it’s just the nature of how gender fluidity is, when in contrast with how maab’s change as they age. Masculanizing female features takes some sleight of hand in dress, expression or alteration, such as a girl with muscles, or a male form of dress. Even body hair can be acrued on a female form through hormone alteration, which can further alter voice, physical structure… etc.
A maab? No amount of hormones will change the physical body. Hair will be reduced, but not eliminated without thousands of $ put into it~ it’s hurdle upon hurdle without a lot of luck being tossed into it. Identifying as genderfluid and accepting their masculine side, while trying to express internal fluidity or identification with beard shadow and a skirt isn’t going to help them at all. You’re not going to see that commonly. At best, they achieve a level of boyishness or natural androgyny that is mostly completely dependent on a high level of luck to achieve genetically and not just in simple acceptance of identity, or at worst appeare like a feminine, unfairly coined effeminate gay man.
Maybe I’m oversimplifying things, but it’s just been in my head. The hurdles genderfluid males have to deal with to achieve what I see in the images a few posts above. I’m pretty sure they’re all FAAB, but that’s a common thing when you dig into it from what I’ve seen.
good read. a few things from a dude getting married to a woman in less than 96 days (i only know the days because she told me yesterday):
<3
Will read if you were being serious about it being productive. Probably was, but won’t know until I read.
Is Neoempire like the UK hub for fighting games? I’ve just heard the website’s name kicked around before so I’m just jumping to random conclusions.
#'1 and #5 are top tier for me.
I considered deleting this thread not too long ago, but perhaps we have us a sleeper thread here.
Also, daytona5bill is a stupid ass.
#2 and #5 are beautiful to me~ but they’re all pretty really. #5 reminds me of Emma Watson. She has this very regal capacity for boyishness~ it’s probably the eyebrows. <3
http://www.bazarchic-mag.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/emma-watson-short-hair-photo-001.jpg
Girls with eyebrows are no prob for me.
Sees his own av
Oh…:rolleyes:
Bump, goddamn is that woman a fox.
Anyway, finished that Transgender book I was reading, and honestly, nothing else is really coming to mind from it, it pretty much read the same as it had from the start, sad to say.
Now on to a book on female fetishism.
What’s the name of the second book?
Female Fetishism, pretty straightforward, haha.
It’s convenient that the first book I read (for this thread) was on males, then it was transgendered people, and now females.
If only every title was so straightforward. I know that The Dark Knight Rises is about Batman punching faces and getting punched back, but it sounds like a movie about Morgan Freeman conquering E.D.
Is it gay if I ask Purple Rain to marry me?
Not even remotely. I can’t think of a better thread for it.
Anyone else think that the standard labels like straight, gay, lesbian or even heterosexual/homosexual aren’t nearly descriptive enough of a person’s actual preference?
What I mean is, they don’t really have much of anything to say about gender preference along cis/trans lines. Let me explain what I mean…there are people who would identify as straight who would not dream of sex/relationships with someone who’s of the same biological sex but the opposite gender - and there are those who wouldn’t care at all either way.
Likewise, there are people who would identify as lesbians who would never want to be with a male-to-female trans woman and lesbians who wouldn’t think twice about it, gay men who wouldn’t dream of being with a female-to-male trans man and those who would, etc etc. Just as an example, there has been some recent controversy in the queer community, for example, around statements made by certain people in the trans community who have implied that lesbians who wouldn’t want to be with trans women are being transphobic (which I don’t think is true at all…I just think these categories are way too limited)
Basically what I mean is, none of this makes any of the people in these categories any more or less ‘straight’ ‘lesbian’ or ‘gay’ - but I really think it means that in certain ways these traditional labels aren’t quite satisfactory as complete explanations of people’s orientation…to me these are quite different sexual orientations - some people’s attractions are focused primarily on biological sex, others focused more on gender…
Maybe we could use a couple of additional categories to help our understanding?
That was partially why this thread was created, so yes. 
These are my thoughts as well, in terms of gender and not genitalia.
It would be nice if there was a short word or letter to add to each orientation.
Like heterosexual A is attracted to only female bodied and gendered persons, but heterosexual B is attracted to both female bodied/gendered persons, and male bodied/female gendered person’s pre, post, and non op probably also having their own attached word or letter.
Personally, I haven’t found any such labeling system and for convenience sake would just call heterosexual B polysexual.
Hm, maybe we could use something like gynesexual and androsexual to differentiate…
Possible, then again there is this.
Heterosexual male A is gynesexual, so it only makes sense that he is attracted to female bodied/gendered persons, this however does not mean he is attracted to male to female transexuals, even though they have a vagina.
Another example, heterosexual male B is once again is attracted to female bodied/gendered persons, but is still attracted to male bodied/female gendered persons. Let’s presume that heterosexual B is attracted to a male bodied/female gendered person that has no intentions of changing their genitalia. This would not make them androsexual, because he is still attracted to vaginas, it’s just that he isn’t particularly attracted to penises, it’s that they are indifferent to male genitalia in comparison to the gender that is being presented.
This is why I would have a problem with gynesexual and androsexual in terms of relating to people that aren’t heterosexual in the strictest sense of the word.