The Current State of the World thread

I’m going to college on the Pell Grants + student loans. I like my debt not as high as it could’ve been had there been no Pell Grant.

I attend SUNY @ Buffalo and my school has had $38 million cut from the budget. The effects are obvious with less classes per semester and being more crowded in classes than before. One class I’m in now is the last time they’ll be doing it during the Fall semesters, just Spring. Less intercampus buses running is something else I’ve noticed and it puts my schools plans to expand the medical school to Downtown for 2020 in jeopardy. My tuition has increased since I’ve been attending as well.

I’m not sure how eliminating programs that many people are on right now due to unemployment and whatnot would fix this current mess and not make matters worse but I’d be willing to hear how.

+1 for the people?

Once all eyes are on the movement, I hope they’re more organize and unified and have something to demand. We needs millions in it for the same goals.

I have to agree with earlier posters in that the packaging behind the movement could end up being harmful to it. I know quite a few people who agree with some of the fundamental ideas and goals behind the movement, but get turned off both by some of the secondary concepts and the very anti-corporate/anti-capitalistic way the movement is being branded. More specifically worried that might damage the integrity of the movement as this wanes on.

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

List of Demands coming shortly.

I’m going to be heading to Zuccotti Park, driving from Michigan, the 13th-16th to join the protest, I’m skipping Season’s Beatings for this. I’ve been waiting for something like this to happen for six years now, video games can wait.

Edit:

Draft of demands list.

french canada…specifically.

no seriously though.
the global economy is only gonna get worse before it gets better.
i suspect.
which means…more people outta work…including women…which means,
more would be whores for me to select from in the near future.

“my oh my what a wonderful day!”

This is what I was worried about. Lots of stupid shit in here that will turn off a lot of people who would otherwise agree with a lot of the bigger points in here.

It’s a shame. For a little while there I actually thought this was something good.

All I wanted to see was stricter regulation of banks and investment firms, accountability and justice from the people who caused and profited off of the economy crash, and… universal healthcare.

The main priority should be stopping the corruption, and putting the wall street and government criminals in jail, and returning the money they gambled and stole. They literally lied, cheated, changed the books, and used financial tactics that were high risk to everyone but themselves which caused a global market crash. Meanwhile they had people in office (Greenspan, Hank Paulson, etc.) stopping any effort to regulate the banks and investing firms, so they can get away with it. And to top it off they got bailouts and bonuses at the end of the day, like a “thank you” for ruining people’s lives.

I cannot express how mad I am about this.

It’s not set in stone, these demands need to be widely agreed on before they’re concrete, hence the open Google Doc.

Fixed that up for ya mate

I was reading the last points on the “demands” list, and I got to laugh at these people.

No CEO can make 50x the lowest paid employee?

OK, yes those bonuses are extravegant, but they are doing it the wrong way. No buisness is going to want to operate in this country with such a draconian law.

Ill elaborate later. But what they are demanding, isn’t regulation or accountability. Its socialist policy outright designed to control the company as if it where a public firm controled by the people.

Didn’t look at the lists, but one thing that need to be demanded is total transparency with political campaign contributions.

Yeah a few of those demands are wtf worthy. How long do they think they can go on leaderless? They could use an MLK.

If you’re referring to the Bible, it’s actually “the love of money”.

Pretty sure he’s talking about real life.

A majority of the problems we’re discussing in here can be traced back to one simple thing: big business/corporations being given carte blanche to do whatever they want. Poverty, depression, lack of education, anti-unionism, extreme financial inequality, lack of health care, homelessness, and so many more things are things that we can attribute to corporations being able to do basically whatever they want without having to answer for it. The chickens are finally coming home to roost in the good ol’ US of A and now people are finally wising up to the fact (too late I might add) that we coddled corporations and allowed our government to be in cahoots with them for far too long.

Capitalism NEEDS regulation in order to work or it just turns out like where we’re at now. We actually have laws and safeguards in place, but our government refuses to uphold said laws (Google the Wagner Act.) But beginning with Reagan, every president has deregulated more and more allowing the corporate stranglehold on the American people to get tighter and tighter.Unions have been attacked and gutted at every turn leaving American workers working more hours for less pay and less benefits, which they do because they need money to in order to pay everyday expenses and don’t have many options.

People talk about the need for a free market, but we don’t (and haven’t) had one. If we did, corporations wouldn’t get the tax breaks and advantages they do, they wouldn’t have gotten bailed out, small business would be able to compete more, and the overall playing field would be much more level for all involved because the bigger companies wouldn’t be getting a head start. If you think we truly have a free market, you’re not paying attention.

Let’s not even get started on how corporations control the government. Through constant lobbying, gladhanding, and downright bribing, corporations have been able to influence many in our government to draft laws and regulations that work AGAINST their constituents. The fact that virtually none of the executives have seen any jail time, and many of the ones who have been brought up on charges and fined had THE COMPANY pay their fines speaks to this.

Part of the Wall Street problem is that those in our government who actually know anything about it all have ties and friends on Wall St. So of course things are going to get skewed.

You can be mad at the government, illegal aliens, the poor, etc., all you want, but if you are, you’re directing your anger at the wrong source. Until we stop coddling the rich and corporate culture, stand up to them, and back up the working people, things are only going to get worse. Corporations have used their influence and money to stack the deck against everyone who isn’t in the club. And chances are, you’re not in the club.

im pretty sure im not.

I’ll be honest. I just wanna go back to a time where you could apply for a job and there was chance you could get it with little problems. I look at even the simplest jobs like the people at Call Centers. Probably the easiest job and yet those are getting outsourced? Why? Its things like that that baffles me. Those are the kind of jobs that could help out people big time.

Yeah, back in the day when you could work a job for a week and then find another one that payed more.

He’s saying the original saying is “for the love of money is the root of all evil” (1 Timothy 6:10) and over time butchered (or purposely misquoted for effect) into “money is the root of all evil” which totally ruins the meaning. To my understanding, this was a popular saying then and still today.

The obsession/love for wealth and monetary gain is still the source of much “evil”. Money didn’t put us here, the love of it did.

Money is the root of all evil. Maybe he was quoting Talib Kweli, who probably quoted someone else.

Anyways problem = no jobs, cause = no regulations for banking and investment firms and government and political corruption

All problems related to the economy, anything that deals with not enough money or not enough funding, you can thank the bankers and investment firms who gambled your lives away, risking everything from us and risking nothing from themselves. Economy fails, and yet they still make tens and hundreds of millions of dollars.

Something ain’t right.