The Complete Alex Thread

[ReNiC]

My personal hated match ups are Chun and Urien.

[kid_krush]

My personal hated match ups are chun li and Urien.

but i thought this match was in alexs favor he can punish tackles with c.mp and on urien knockdown alexs owns screwed urien has no wake up urien cant really turtle you and if messes up on ageis u cant b+hp thru ageis alex gets owned by chun he has no pokes u can put pressure on her till shet gets meter then it all down hill i hate that bitch and ken

[Sanchez]

feel free comment no negative shit but positive crtiticsim

If you say so.

Ibuki can needle Alex with fast random bullshit, but one wrong move and you’re shoving your boot in her ass. MP and toward MP are pretty good moves against Ibuki. MP can trade with her LP if she’s trying to pester you with jab lockdowns mid screen. Toward MP can hit her out of her hopping RH. Both are good as jump deterrents.

Headbutt her c.RH if she doesn’t jump cancel immediately.

Akuma is in the same camp as Ibuki. Lots of annoying shit but you can swing things in your favor easy enough. Demon flips can be EX Knee’d on reaction. Air fireballs can be dealt with appropriate Slash Elbow usage.

Chun is whore. Yeha, that’s about it.

-DDT is slow to go off the ground. Sloppy program pad testing shows more than 3 frames to go off the ground. New idea! Boomerang Raiding Urien after getting HIT by his overhead!

[Saisyu_Kusanagi]

My personal hated match ups are Chun and Urien.

I saw one of your matches online, good stuff! Let’s show them who the best Alex players are!

[MagnetoManiac]

saisyu thats good info you posted. one thing i wanted to point out though.

c.mp gets b+hp’d more times than it doesnt. i’ve tried this, and its just terrible. by the time you should be hitting her with c.mp, she can just about recover and block. the timing is soo critical, and cant be used as often as needed to win.

what i do like and saw in some of ksk’s videos is s.lk. stops far fierce and back fierce (just a tap to the leg to surprise them and dash in or s.mk, whichever.)

and yeah as everyone may know, the stomp and ex elbow dash gets punished by reversal SA2, so theres a lot less options next round.

saisyu another thing is…i dunno where and how you’re beating chun c.mk with c.mp. that shit goes right under c.mp when distanced right (vs a good chun player.)

i also get c.mp used against me pretty often too. it doesnt do much damage, but it adds up sometimes. it has more distance than c.mk.

also my favorite mixups is just to c.lk, and s.hp meaty. imo its most safest, s.mk xx flash chop sometimes resets their reversal EX SBK.

[kid_krush]

Alex rapes a Chun with no meter. Knowledge is Key…

Correct ground wiff normal responses to Chun are as follows in this order during start of round one…

#1) Chun Normal: Far standing Fierce

Alex Punish: Max distance Parry then back+Fierce/Level of response: Advanced
"Reason":At max distance on the ground Chun’s only hitting option is far standing Fierce and there is no way that she can hit you with low forward at that distance. Continuous buffered forward parrys is key.

#2) Chun Normal:Back+Ferice “Haki”

Alex Punish:crouching mp or EX Slash Elbow/ Level of response:Grand Master
"Reason" :Can not do two Back+Fierces in a row, against Alex’s c.strong at medium to close range will counter hit recovery to start up of the second one.This will force chun to start to do high risk foward and down parrying thus giving Alex safe movement towards to close distance and run mix up with back+Fierce.

Round 2:Meter…?

3:) Chun normal: crouching forward kick

Alex Punish: Check Chun movement for correct attack

Chun Movement :Retreating Chun
Alex Punish: c.strong crushes low forward and punishes wiff on the kick

Chun Movement: Advancing Chun
Alex Punish:far standing forward “moving Alex backwards from Chun” puts Chun out of range and hit box on far standing forward has high priority. Forced to parry again…

The most important thing to know of all the information that has been ever been giving in this thread are these next words…

#3) Knocked down Chun, Alex begins to run his wake up…

1)Chun dose not have any wake-up defence, Ex Spining Bird Kick invincible frames do not exstend into the first active hit frame! Very Important!!! Perfect hit interrupt on start-up is close standing forward kick into Ex-Flash Chop for Alex.She can not risk low jab as and anti-throw option in fear of getting parry or hit with an overhead.

2. Short Kick Air Stampead vs Normal throw:Short Kick Air Stampead clears EX Spining Bird Kick on start up, Chun is force to break throws with no meter or Ex SPBK. The sad thing is that there is no correct choice.Short Kick Air Stampead is off the ground on the 3rd frame,Alex can not be thrown. Think about this…

#3) All air stampeads are -3, think about this as well…
Practice hard and rape and attack Chun effectively and you will not lose!

:rock:props but how about the urien match up is in alexs favor until urien gets meter or what
ps: thanks sanchez

[Sanchez]

A few things–

Cr.MP vs Chun is something I wouldn’t recommend. My biggest gripe is that you’re feeding Chun a move that can be parried HIGH and LOW. And the fact that it’s slower than her cr.MK doesn’t help. It has it’s place during the times when Chun doesn’t have meter and her damage output is severely capped.

Chun with meter=Stay the fuck away from cr.MP.

Alex’s Toward MP Chop is actually useful at the right ranges. It’s faster than her far fierce and can nail other random bullshit.

Standing MK can counter her cr.MK. Effectiveness depends on the range.

I like using short Slash Elbows during footsies to annoy and get close. It has the added bonus of being able to super if it hits! Yay!

One of the most important things to note is that Chun lacks a reliable anti air. Empty jumps peppered with the occasional Fierce or Roundhouse are good to try. Her only real anti airs are MK and back Fierce–both, if parried, are a one way ticket to Assrape Town.

Stomp is -3. Chun SA2 is 3. Uhhh…(RESULTS TODAY!)

The shitty part of this match up is that once Chun gets meter you’re playing her game. the best bet is rush and rape hard. This fight tests how intimate you are with your normals.

VS Urien-

MP shuts down headbutts. This includes t.MP.

Blocked tackles can also be punished with headbutts. WOO!

More later…

[locoghoul]

A few things–

Cr.MP vs Chun is something I wouldn’t recommend. My biggest gripe is that you’re feeding Chun a move that can be parried HIGH and LOW.

Chun with meter=Stay the fuck away from cr.MP

Agreed with that.

One of the most important things to note is that Chun lacks a reliable anti air. Empty jumps peppered with the occasional Fierce or Roundhouse are good to try. Her only real anti airs are MK and back Fierce–both, if parried, are a one way ticket to Assrape Town.

I disagree with this. Dont get me wrong, I would still advice jumping against her, but thats because ground poking leads to gg.

Chun can do s.lp, walk or dash under, s.rh (both far and close and close can cancel into super jump), b.hpxxlighting kicks, s.mp and the infamous c.mk that can duck under Alexs j.hp.
I know this because a while ago i gave Chun a try and actually got a chance to try this stuff. Also, is becoming more common to Chuns to do wakeup rh to avoid throws instead of jumping away. Also her c.lp in wakeup games is more annoying than most ppl think. It fucks everything but meaty s.mk

[kin3tix]

5)5)Urien can be thrown out of every Head Butt Destroyer even jab. Jab is tight but still not off the ground fast enough. Must be close in corner when doing this. Practice.Practice

Jab HB is airborne on the first frame.

8)Do not tech roll in corner after being thrown and an Agisu Reflector is put on top of you. Your sprite become hittable early thus taking early mix up for waking up directly into the third and fourth active hit frames. Stay on the ground to avoid early hits and waste some of the Agisu’s hitting time.

After you get thrown, Urien usually throws out jab Aegis. And they hope you DON’T roll because that gives them a free UB (yes the basic Urien setup of throw, Aegis, headbutt over). If you feel like giving them free damage if you don’t parry out, don’t tech roll.

Other than this, good job with the punishes. Another thing to note is that f+strong can stuff his low limbs (cr. forward). It’s just a good poke in general that can be abused against Urien.

[kin3tix]

If you meaty Urien when he does a reversal jab headbutt, he resets out of the air. I thought this was common 3s knowledge. There’s been a lot of vids showing this and it’s how he can escape UB setups.

[kin3tix]

Not meat attacks, just thows. It it is common knowledge good point,but the normal throw in Alex’s case is the only thing fast enough on Urien’s wake frame to prevent this from happing but it is corner specific, not in the middle of the screen. If Urien tech rolls mid-screen this dose not work, but if the player dose not tech for some reason mid-screen then you can close to the right distance and pressure with a point blank throw on wake up. No option without meter, Urien must break the throw.

How are you gunna normal throw something that is in the air?

I already explained how it is airborne on the first frame since you didn’t know. So you can’t throw Urien if he performs a REVERSAL headbutt, since he is in the AIR on the FIRST frame that you have the chance to grab him.

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[Saisyu_Kusanagi]

How are you gunna normal throw something that is in the air?

I already explained how it is airborne on the first frame since you didn’t know. So you can’t throw Urien if he performs a REVERSAL headbutt, since he is in the AIR on the FIRST frame that you have the chance to grab him.

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Maybe I saw something that was not possible in practice. :wonder:Let’s go forward.

Let’s do anti Ken Strats!

Ken with no meter:Down parry vs throw on knockdown
Ken with meter: far standing forward kick vs crouching roundhouse vs dash throw.

Any other insights?

[kid_krush]

alex can punish wiff c.hk with c.hk can he also punish c.hk with c.mp

Honestly, I don’t think this matchup is really bad. Patience and spacing is key. Don’t jump in since Alex never really needs to jump in and do not use elbows of any kind unless to punish a sweep with EX elbow or something with bad recovery. Also do not try to go toe-to-toe with Ken in a footsie game. Your main objective like all grapplers is the knockdown. Alex is the wakeup KING and cr.short is the reason why.

Cr.short gives you so many options:
cr.short, lp powerbomb: Only lp powerbomb will reach so don’t try to bother with the stronger versions since their range is smaller. This is your main weapon since it knocks down and sends them towards the corner. The opponent can escape and attack with fast attacks between the two attacks though Alex has a remedy for this.

cr.shortxxFlashChop: Seriously I can’t stress this enough but each mofo Alex player better learn how to do this and why this is such a huge part in his game. Once canceled from cr.short, lp,mp and EX flash chops are unescapable and uninterruptable. So if the opponent expects a powerbomb and try to jump away, they’ll get hit by the flash chop or flash chops if EX is used. Next if they try any attack, they’ll get hit and possibly backturned if you used the mp version. Furthermore for a nice side bonus, it pushes the opponent back on block a far distance except the EX version. The HP version is a little different but you still cannot jump away without getting hit but the opponent has little time to hit you before the chop comes out. This mixes up so well with powerbomb, since the opponent cannot escape by jumping or attacking. So they have to block or wait to parry your Flash Chop timings (you have 4 Flash Chop speeds) so you powerbomb. So they block/parry, you powerbomb; they jump/attack, you flash chop. They complement each other so well. As you can see this creates a high parry game for the opponent since you start from a crouching short then to a flash chop which has to be parried high. So…

cr.shortxxcr.roundhouse: Did you ever wonder why Alex has this chain attack since it doesn’t combo and his sweep is punishable? Well no need to wonder anymore since its part of his wakeup game. All this basically is another parry option. If your opponent begins to parry your flash chops well or to mix things up, your opponent nows has to parry low. This complements well with lp flash chops. Since the opponent will have to parry high immediately after blocking the crouching short, chaining into cr. roundhouse quickly hits them while their parry attempt fails. I wouldn’t use this too much since his sweep is punishable and opponents wouldn’t have the balls to parry such a fast flash chop.

cr.shortxxcr.forward:Just a mixup for the cr.short, cr.roundhouse chain since the timings for the parry would obviously be different. It combos for decent damage and is safe if blocked.

Normal throw: Since everything is cr.short, start to use normal throw. Use normal throw just because its faster than powerbomb. People can wakeup throw you while you’re starting up powerbomb. It deals almost the same stun as a powerbomb and leaves the opponent close to you.

Since I rambled too much into his wakeup game, you need to space out and put some distance between you and Ken.

Your main tools against Ken:
st.short: A really underused move. If Ken is close enough, throw out this attack. It will beat the startup of his cr.forward unless you are further out cuz then Ken will be hitting your foot. If blocked, you’re very safe then dashback/walk back to put more space between since st. short doesn’t push back far.

st. forward: Use this move when st.short won’t hit. It will beat his sweeps and cr.forward. Best part is that it pushes back well. The tricky thing behind this attack is that Alex moves forward then attacks then sets his foot back down into his normal position. Since Alex moves forward, this gives the opponent more of a better chance to hit Alex’s back leg. So take in consideration that Alex does move forward a bit before he attacks so you can avoid getting hit. A good reason why you shouldn’t try to believe you can outfootsie Ken. Main thing is it pushes back.

cr.jab: When Ken (or anyone really) is up close, throw out two cr.jabs and it pushes back the opponent to where only Alex’s sweep will connect after being blocked.

cr.fierce: Anti air; 2hits, knocks down and still knocks the opponent towards the corner. Should be your main Anti air.

cr. sweep: For Ken’s missed st./cr. roundhouses

j.d+HP: I will explain more later

Spiral DDT: Explain later

Tips: Always keep distance between you and Ken. If they turtle, then just wait it out and be patient. Don’t just go jump in and get punished/hit out of the air cuz then you’re stuck in a bad position. Always look for an opportunity for a knockdown. Don’t play a footsie game with Ken cuz you’ll lose with his fast and ranged attacks. BTW, Ken and Alex have the same range with their sweep. Bait out shoryukens and don’t be predictable. Mixup your wakeup game. St.Fierce will beat or trade against wakeup shoryukens if timed correctly.

I’m done for now. What else?

Short Elbow has always been safe against Shippu.

[Duralath]

If you block a sweep, it should usually give you enough time to EX Slash Elbow, so do that if you have the meter instead of doing c.roundhouse or c.strong. Better positioning + knockdown.

[Alphastorm]

One thing I keep forgetting is punishing ken’s c.rh with an ex elbow comboed into super. It’s a good way to deal alot of damage from one blocked roundhouse.

[Duralath]

Bleh…don’t waste the meter unless it’s gonna grab you a KO or give you something else that’s good in return (though I can’t think of anything else). IIRC, EX Slash Elbow scales the damage badly as well…so you’re sacrificing extra meter and less damage for super when you’re already getting knockdown and good positioning.

Don’t forget, good shoto players won’t go for sweeps on you once they have meter, so don’t expect to get to use this much.

[kid_krush]

would c.lpx2-raid a good hit confirm even though scales the damage badly but a nice way to land super mk,c.lk is harder to hit confirm and after a blocked shippuu can u mp-ex flash cop is seems like it works 50/50 and can he punish dudley sa3 on block

[locoghoul]

would c.lpx2-raid a good hit confirm even though scales the damage badly but a nice way to land super mk,c.lk is harder to hit confirm and after a blocked shippuu can u mp-ex flash cop is seems like it works 50/50 and can he punish dudley sa3 on block

1. c.lp, c.lp xx SA2 doesnt scale the damage badly
2. It has its uses but its somewhat limited because of the range and that its a high attack that can be parried both low and high (contrary to shotos short short super)
3. standing close mk xx SA2 isnt hard to hit confirm and actually its what will give you most chances to land SA2.
4. c.lk xx SA2 is not hit confirmable.
5. I do mp ex slash against block corkscrew to get them in the corner but its not like that will happen a lot (a random blocked corkscrew)

[Saisyu_Kusanagi]

Great Stuff Everybody!

[Dingo]

Just read through the stuff and I’ve now added the cr.shortxx lp powerbomb and cr.shortxxFlashChop into my wake up game after seeing just how well this works on opponents. My question about that though, what do you do if the opponent parries the cr.short? Granted this could be because the cr.shortxxInsert option here has been thrown out too many times in the round, but given the chance that the opponent just guesses right the first or second time you try to do it.

Also, in terms for using st.fierce when the opponent is on wake up, how strict is the timing for getting it to trade with wakeup Shoryukens? I’ve tried it a couple times and it always seems that I use st.fierce too soon or too late.