Well I also just showed up for this fight too, I just had the benefit of being surrounded by people who know boxing culture and grew up with my dad watching matches.
And thanks for reminding me…my ass was clenched tight for that entire week.
Pretty much all of this.
I’m not Filipino and i was over here going off as to how Floyd was outboxing Manny but after watching it 3x i certainly think that whole fight and the way Mayweather won was a disgrace to boxing. You Floyd fans are defintely not old boxing fans regardless of how much you try. There is no way a guy who clinched and ran through out the fight can bank more points than the aggressor and if you want to suggest that Manny’s aggression was not effective please re-read the quantity of clinching you just posted. 13 Clinches. That is allot. Klitchko had like how many before he got deducted, 5? Most of Manny’s successful come in’s were all stopped right away by clinching then you have the running. You Floyd fans will start labeling that as being “defensive” which is not. Boxers got deducted for that before. There is no Mega fight out there that you will find that has any of those “tactics” that Floyd applied. What Floyd did was a disgrace to boxing sadly most of his fans are current generation fans that love to bs about their “knowledge”. You guys are nothing different than Lil’Wayne fans
No, i just wanted to see boxing. Running around is not being defensive, clinching to save yourself when an opponent gets in on you is not being defensive. If you want to see real defensive boxing watch Haggler vs Hearns, watch Sugar ray, watch Ali vs Foreman… those fights will show you actual defensive boxing. Guys like thurst have been riding mayweather ever since the start, they have no clue as to how boxing really works and has worked ever since which is why to them they don’t see anything wrong with it.
Then you watched the wrong fight. All of Floyd’s fights are like that. All of them.
Manny’s not an idiot, he understands how boxing works, he understands that just because you attack doesn’t mean you win. Marquez at least knocked him out though, Floyd just toying with with twelve rounds pissed him off.
He’s pissed off, that’s all it is.
He did not run as much as he did in the past fights.
pfft… It will happen, you’ll see. They are just doing the same thing Russef/Cena did after Royal Rumber (or was it fast lane) with the no rematch thing. Floyd Mayweather is just throwing something to keep us off course but anybody who thinks well can see through that. Manny Pacquiao will become Hollywood MONEY Pacquiao once he “recovers”.
Lmao this nigga said really Hearns/Hagler was a good example of defensive boxing.
This nigga said Haggler vs Hearns was a great example of defensive boxing. And are we talking about the same Ali who used foot movement more and hugged way more than Floyd ever did?! Don’t lie to yourself you would be calling him a runner and a hugger if he fought nowadays going by your very own logic. 13 clinches is not really that big of a deal over the course of a 12 round fight. Does not explain Pacquiao’s complete inability to cut the ring off, inability to use that so-called magical footwork of his, why he kept coming in a straight line against a taller longer fighter and also consider that even more clinches are usually initiated when fighters of opposite stances meet. But overall I’m through with you. Talking about a Lil Wayne generation and all this other nonsense.
Tbh, Mayweather wasn’t landing any punches either.
tbh, after watching that fight over and over again…they both lost. I wouldn’t know who won. Manny threw a ton of punches with most not connecting while Floyd barely threw any punches.
I’d have to call it a draw.
though I will say that Floyd had the illusion of more control over the fight and that it seemed he dictated the ebb and flow more than Manny…but with no offense throughout the whole match,
but to be honest I couldn’t …or better said wouldn’t award the fight to either one.
they both lost.
I did expect to get laughed at by Thurst and Biolink apon the mentioning of examples of defensive boxing, since these two Mayweather fanboys actually think defensive boxing consists of running and clinching their opponents when they managed to get in.
There was defensive boxing in the Hagler/Hearns match in the first 25 seconds of the fight were Hearns is already pressed on the ropes while Hagler is attacking the body then a minute later where both of them are in the center of the ring and you had hearns evading him. There was no clinches nor was their running through the entire fight. The only reason why both of you idiots think that low of that example is because you don’t know anything about boxing. LOL at Biolink posting BS about Ali hugging and running more than Mayweather did, that guy shelled in and dodged while remaining in the ropes he did not clinch Foreman or Fraiser just get himself out. It’s useless talking to both of you new generation boxing fans you really don’t care about quality boxing or if the boxer is actually doing boxing in the match you are fanning the celebrity just like the stupid girls who fan random pop teen celebrities of entertainment tonight. It is really impossible for any traditional fan to respect Mayweather’s fighting style because it was never an actual style in boxing. You will never be able to produce any strike style martial arts that allows one fighter to run around the ring or holds their opponents as a defensive tactic. And for you biolink to suggest that 17 clinches in a 12 round match is not allot shows what a complete noob to boxing you are. You are fans of floyd and not fans of the sport.
OMFG SHUT UP CANELO KIRKLAND TONIGHT
It was 13 hard clinches that I counted. And compared to some other fights nah it’s nothing considering orthodox and southpaws also tend to get mixed up more. And again how does roughly 1 clinch per round totally negate whatever else was going on for the rest of the 2:40 of the round where Pacquiao was getting schooled?
And when people think defensive fundamentals Haggler vs Hearns is one of the last you would think of. No defensively sound boxer spends themselves in Round 1 only to have nothing left, ending up getting stopped early. Period. You can find a glimmer of hope in almost any fight if that’s the case. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna show someone new to the sport what good defensive fundamentals look like just because they occasionally bobbed and weave inbetween getting hit with bombs.
It’s not even up for debate that Ali used more movement or what you guys calls running more than Floyd and he clinched more than Floyd. I don’t care how he did it or that he was tired the rules are the rules going by your own definition. If Floyd can’t clinch to get out of situations then Ali can’t hug somebody to get a breather he normally wouldn’t be able to get.
so whos got the link for canelo kirkland post up here or in the group chat
hay kiddos. Surpassing 7 intentional clinches is too far already. You referenced Wlad’s match as an example, he had less clinching but he was deducted for it so LMAO at you trying to make 13-17 clinches not a big deal. Every round is about 2+ minutes even if you count 1 or just 2 clinches per round the clock does not stop. Please use your head and stop trying to justify the use of clinching as a defensive tactic because it is not.
I did not use Haggler/Hearns as the best example of defensive boxing but one of them because as i’ve been saying about Floyd clinching to get out of areas, that Haggler vs Hearns match shows Hearns in those same areas but defending himself with out running or clinching to turn him to the opposite direction away from the ropes/corner. You can see when he managed to get out of there, he and Haggler went to the center and he was trying to dance around him with occasional counter attacks… he didn’t run to opposite corners of the ring. Because if he fought the same way mayweather did he would of lost the rounds badly due to Haggler being the aggressor. Get it? Mayweather’s shit is not boxing, it never was. You will not find even an Amateur fight where a fighter is running and hugging his way out of corners.
Ali used more movement but he did run through out his entire match. He shelled up, or just stayed in the same area dodging fists. Ali never clinched to get out of corners and if he did that is likely during his early/rookie years. Mayweather has done the same thing to Maidana in their 2nd fight, running away and hugging chino everytime that he got close it. There is no way a boxer can just win from that. I’m not saying that in total Floyd was fighting dirty, he did have good shots but Floyd’s fight style is a disgust to boxing, his shit would not be allowed in any other area outside of Vegas. I have no idea how anybody who grew up watching guys like Haggler, Tyson, Chaves, Morales, DLH etc could ever like Floyd.
What we have here is a generation gap. Clinching is certainly used much more often in the past decade than it has previously. One needs to just look at Klitchko, recent Hopkins, Mayweather. Clinching is not supposed to be an offensive tactic, it is BS to consider it part of a “strategy”. Should sneaking in low blows, eye gouges, headbutts, also be considered a legit strategy? I always hold sportsmanship above all else, however maybe many people feel differently. In this era of constant flopping (NBA, soccer), and other forms of getting an edge in ways that are a disgrace to the sport, winning being the only thing that matters regardless of breaking/bending rules, etc.
I grew up watching Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox Lewis, late Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, etc. So Mayweather’s style and especially use of the clinch is hard to stomach. Maybe for younger people who grew up with Mayweather/Klitchkos as their first boxing experience, they think that is what defensive boxing is and Floyd is doing everything perfectly fine.
I’m not really at my comp right now. I’m gonna try to post the link in a bit. I think Canelo has it. Kirkland is a bit too punchy.
I won’t be able to watch the fight tonight (unfortunately). But I will probably catch the replay tomorrow. I think Canelo will take it though. Kirkland has power, but dude has become quite punchy as of late and I think his raw power is something to respect but I think they may be underestimating Canelo by not going with Ann Wolf.
*When does the fight start? *
undercards now, diaz doing his thing