Avila is playing no games. This is how I’d imagine a Hajime no Ippo fight in real life, lol.
There are allot of people who feel Manny won the match, Hollyfield thinks Manny won that fight, and that is because they are very old school boxing. During the time of the likes of Tyson, Hollyfield and before there were point reduction on consistent running and the over use of clinching which Floyd did allot in the match. There is also honoring of points for a fighter who is the aggressor which Pacquiao was in that fight. The UK and most areas out of Vegas still enforces those rules that is why Wlad got a point reduction two weeks ago so it is understandable in some way as to why Pac felt he won that. If this was the 90’s or maybe even out of Vegas and that is how Mayweather performed in that match, he would of lost.
It’s one thing to favor and award aggression. I get that. But Manny couldn’t even land punches. Since when do we award fighters for swinging at air? He landed 19% of his punches. Clinching had nothing to do with that.
Holyfield probably mad Chris Byrd beat him with a similar style lol.
People used to be soooooooooooooooooooooo mad about the way Byrd fought, just like they are with Mayweather. I did get to see him lose to Wlad live when they fought in Germany while I was there.
Byrd was talking about Mayweather vs GGG in 2013 lol
Manny did have a good amount of punches and he would of still gotten allot of points due to being the aggressor, if this was the 90’s one of the things that would of made Floyd lose was the amount of points that got deducted from him. Clinching has allot to do as to why an opponent could not land as much punches and there were allot of times where Pacquiao potentially got Floyed but was stopped because of clinching.
No, Clinching has a lot to do as to why an opponent doesn’t THROW as many punches. But it has nothing to do with how often you’re landing. Increased volume doesn’t mean much if you aren’t hitting with what you’re already throwing. Floyd didn’t need to clinch, but since the ref was letting him get away with it, no reason not to. If he was stern, Floyd stops…and then does what he does for the last 6 rounds anyway. Continued head movement, good footwork out of the corner, and Rope-a-Dope periodically to let Manny wear himself out of futile flurries.
You can’t look at it in a vacuum. “Well, Floyd should’ve been deducted so Manny won a lot of rounds”. If the ref would threaten point deduction, Floyd would’ve stopped and nothing would’ve happened. Just because Manny would be allowed to throw more punches, doesn’t mean they’re any more likely to land than the other punches he threw.
I don’t want to hear what-ifs. “What if this was fought out of Vegas?” “What if Manny wasn’t hurt?” “What if there were different judges?” “What if Floyd clinched less?” I don’t care. You can talk about those what-ifs all you want, what matters is what is. Manny absconded to all of Floyd’s demands because he wanted the fight at all costs. Manny fought hurt because he wanted his payday. Manny chose to lie about being hurt to the commission. Manny chose to ignore Roach’s gameplan against Floyd and fought terribly because of it. Manny lost that fight, aggressive or not. End of story. If you want to reward aggression, whatever. But don’t reward idiocy. Manny fought like a moron. It’s possible to fight aggressive without fighting stupid and Manny did not do that, period.
Lewis/Klitschko got stopped because of a cut over Vitali’s eye, Vitali was whooping Lewis’ ass throughout that fight and never in danger.
Canelo, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Cotto were all significantly bigger than Mayweather when they fought. Canelo dislocated Floyd’s elbow, GGG’s bigger than him so we can imagine how that would work out. Floyd fought this fight at like 146, GGG is a fucking middleweight…c’mon, son. That matchup would border on some of those Japanese freakshow cards from the Pride/Dream days.
I remember watching this Ali documentary years ago and this scene was etched into my memory:
Foreman’s punch was like a steel girder swinging on a pendulum. Jeezus.
I give the average untrained human a 50/50 chance of surviving a full force shot from prime Foreman.
Yeah Foremans puch was insane and he looked like he wasn’t even trying. I mean that is some scary shit. Just left a dent in the heavy bag though, lol.
How is a fighter going to land barrages if he is stoped by a clinch at every attempt? There were allot of times were Mayweather was already trapped but immediatly Mayweather clinched him. You could say that “well the ref allowed it anyway” that does not eliminate the fact that he would have lost if this was not in vegas or in this time period. * Floyd didn’t need to clinch, but since the ref was letting him get away with it, no reason not to. * I disagree, i think Floyd clinched out of strategy, after watching the fight it is like that is on of his best tools in stuffing Manny’s rushdown attempts.
You are missing the point, allot of people believe Manny won because of the things that Mayweather did in the fight that isn’t allowed in boxing. Infact,
there is no fight sport that actually allows that kind of defensive tactics, maybe Akido but the majority of any martial arts does not allow too much running away. I get what you are saying but i’m just saying that based on old school eyes, Mayweather should have lost.
In short boxing used to be judged like this: unless there is a knockdown then the aggressor wins most of the rounds. That should have been in this match especially based on the status of both of them for some reason this is never the case in Mayweather fights and this maybe one of the biggest reasons why people are so angry with him because he doesn’t get judged by the system.
Manny in no way earned a rematch and I hope I never have to hear of this fight again. Looking forward to the Bronze Bombers next fight.
Fine, whatever I give up. Manny won the fight swinging at air. Okay, you win.
Only with Manny somehow these excuses are valid. With everyone else it would be just what it was. An excuse.
He has the nerve to think he won the fight, talks shit about Mayweather running, makes excuses about a so called “injury”, and has been bitching all this time along. Meanwhile Floyd had nothing, but good things to say about Manny. Called him a good fighter and said he see’s why people were talking so good about him.
Seriously fuck Manny. FUCK Manny.
One of the scoring criteria is called EFFECTIVE aggressiveness for a reason. Sorry Manny fan, but you don’t score points JUST for coming forward. You have to throw meaningful punches(Manny wasn’t doing much of that) and most importantly you have to land(He certainly wasn’t doing much of this).
They said they would be ready for him if he fights or runs. There was only 2 possible strategies he could have had either he comes forward or he’s fighting off the backfoot for most of the fight. He chose to fight off the backfoot, and they still looked woefully unprepared after having 6 years to get this right. Does not explain Manny constantly running into check hooks off the ropes or getting jabbed to death which is supposed to be a hard punch for an orthodox fighter to land vs a southpaw.
The only people that believe Manny won are Filipino’s and Holyfield’s old blind ass. Y’all need to find something else cry about.
I actually read this incorrectly when I went to quote. If you watch any old fights, boxer’s didnt want to clinch nor were they really allowed. The fact that its a ‘strategy’ for the klitchko’s or mayweather to tie up when they’re in trouble is bullshit. I get that people act like its ‘strategy’ but its this type of crap thats killing the sport. Not that I dont think its smart if you can get away with it… because if you could do it to, why the hell wouldnt you? That said, if in Kendo I just run backwards, I’m not aggressive, and move outside the circle I’ll still lose, so I do understand both sides of the arguement for people who don’t watch that much boxing. That said Mayweather was scoring points but they werent really effective points if we’re going to argue on the basis of landing. I mean he hit him with a gazillion jabs… Its just Mayweather is slick and runs and fights going backwarsd. Which is his strategy. He doesn’t like to get hit same as the klitkos. That said if you look at the stats of pac vs may, the difference in power punches wasn’t that much at all… maybe difference of 20? So then the difference maker was the Jab. And I mean yeah… winning a fight with your jab is great and all…But please dont act like the fact you landed the job 67 times makes it these meaningful power shots. THAT SAID… PAC LANDED LIKE 18 JABS VS 67. So that alone wins mayweather the fight end of discusssssssion. Listen, if it was close in the number of jabs Pac landed and he landed less shots but he was more aggresive, landed cleaner then I can totally see him getting the W. But it was Mayweather’s jab instead and he employed it well and HANDS DOWN won the fight with it. I don’t know where I’m going with this rant but I get why people are frustrated and honestly I’m getting so sick of talking about Mayweather vs Pac. They’re both great fighters but they couldn’t tie any of the great’s shoelaces… Which just goes to show had sad boxing has become during our era. That’s honestly how I feel hearing all this may/pac stuff.
I did find some time to rewatch the one sided embarrassment and counted the amount of clinches in the fight.
Round 1: 1
Round 2: 3
Round 3: 2
Round 4: 0
Round 5: 1
Round 6: 2
Round 7: 2
Round 8: 0
Round 9: 1
Round 10: 0
Round 11: 0
Round 12: 1
Total: 13
That’s roughly 1 clinch per round. 6 of those Manny had Floyd’s arm locked as well. Is roughly 1 clinch per round the reason why out of 3 minutes per round Manny failed to mount any sustainable effective offense and failed to cut the ring off? Be smarter than this people…
i hope you f@6607s arent really fucking arguing this fight. stop that shit. if i wanted to read that bullshit id go to fighthype or boxingscene
Did Mayweather win the fight? Yes.
Did clinches effect the fight? Definitely. The way they were used for the most part was when Manny finally got into a good position to land some shots. So Mayweather took less punches than he would have and less damage than he would have, as well as less risk of getting knocked out.
Should we wait til after a fight before calling it fight of the century or any other title? Yes, cause a fight can look amazing on paper but can be really one sided, or boring when it happens.
Why did people dislike the fight so much? The general public’s interest in boxing and other combat sports is mostly bloodlust, they love skill and all that, but they also want to see two people who want to hurt each other real bad. In boxing they want to see knockouts, that is the type of finish they want. What they saw was one man jabbing again and again, running away most of the time, another shorter man chasing him, then getting clinched when up close. They saw two fighters at the end of the fight, that looked like they just finished a morning jog rather than being through a war.
It took you that long to figure out not to argue with people who JUST showed up for this fight?
Damn man the leadup to the Eagles draft had you feelin some type of way huh?