Pretty sure only hardcore Manny fans give him a chance right now, and maybe people who just love to argue. I wonder if history will remember that Floyd ducked him for this long and waited til he got slower, or if it’ll just go on record that he won and retired undefeated? He didn’t take the toughest fights available to him like some other great fighters did, we’ll have to see if that’s remembered long term or not.
Lol, coward.
If you wanna get that goat of your era you play politics also. Mayweather seems like he played the game better than Pac.
The only politics the GOATs of previous eras played was punching people in the fucking mouth. Different time, different sport I guess. Nobody’s saying it wasn’t smart, it just wasn’t kind to the sport or to fans.
Its unfortunate that the general consensus is that many won’t be able to hang with Floyd. I am by any means a Mayweather fan, but i recognize that he is basically the epitome of textbook and defensive style boxing. I would love to see Manny win, but he has gotten slower and I think he has been a bit headstrong in the past where Floyd will just stay patient and use his legs to avoid anything really damaging.
On the flip side I don’t think Floyd will be able to handle too many of those heavy hits from Manny, and this is because he is used to not getting hit. I remember Shane Mosley made Floyd take a knee with a well placed body shot. If I had to think of what Manny needed to work on to hope to win is cardio. He would need to have better cardio than Floyd and he would also need to have a to keep a higher gear the majority of the fight as well as keeping better cardio. Which will be difficult seeing as how Floyd has insane cardio.
Mosley buckled Mayweather with a headshot, but I agree with most of what you said. People have short memories. 5 years ago, Mayweather was still generally considered the favorite and that opinion just seems clearer now.
LOL @ the speculation whether Pac would have a enough time to get it together. He’s not Ricky Hatton, who gained 50 lbs and did coke between fights, he’ll be fine.
Besides Arum, these are some of the weirdest signatures I’ve ever seen.
I couldn’t remember what kind of shot it was, lol. I think that basically Manny has to push floyd to fight at 10 the entire match and then also be fighting at 11. I noticed that the small glimmers of weakness we saw in Floyd’s style is that he hates being uncomfortable. Basically Pac has to make Floyd incredibly uncomfortable the whole fight, but also make it so he could trade with him. He will have to force Floyd to fight his fight which is not easy at all. Basically just about every fight I have seen its like everyone eventually fights exactly how Floyd fights which is a terrible way to go about it.
Like you don’t let a turtle style player turtle because that is where they are comfortable, you have to force them to make stupid mistakes by keeping insane amounts of pressure on them.
Regardless of all the ridiculous delays, excuses, and age factor, this is still primed to be the greatest and most hyped showdown of our generation.
I’m just glad to see this happening.
Can’t wait for Rock to spoil the results.
5 years ago, Manny was the clear favored that is why it was said in the 1st time that the bet was high in favor of Pacquiao.
It would be kind of shitty if it ended with Mayweather winning just by a few small points.
Let’s just agree that you have no real idea what you’re talking about, k?
http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=404141
[details=Spoiler]Beg pardon if we aren’t bouncing off the walls with the announcement that Manny Pacquiao has agreed to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in Las Vegas on May 2, 2015. We’ve seen this show before.
Covers has been charting the course of this potential superfight and its odds since the two kings of the boxing ring started mudslinging back in December 2009, following Pacquiao’s win over Miguel Cotto the month before.
Back then, Mayweather was penciled in as a -145 favorite with Pacquiao coming back at +115. Those odds have drastically changed in the more than five years since boxing bettors crossed their fingers and prayed to the pugilist gods that the fight would be made.
Upon announcement that Pacquiao would meet Mayweather’s lofty demands, sportsbooks online and Las Vegas blew the dust of their odds for this mega matchup and re-posted Mayweather as a -275 favorite with Pacquiao priced as a +235 underdog (Westgate Las Vegas Superbook).
“I’m not a guy who likes to look in the rear view mirror, but I said this would be an easy fight for Floyd in 2011 if they didn’t get Manny beat before he would get to Floyd and it still is,” renowned boxing oddsmaker Joey Oddessa told Covers last January, when Pacquiao said he would fight Mayweather for free.
“Fan’s caught a dose of reality. They managed to get Manny beat not once but twice, the second in devastating fashion. Manny is a moneymaker much like Floyd, but Floyd’s just that much better at both in the ring.”
Pacquiao’s decline had this bout on the ropes, following his controversial loss to Timothy Bradley and a subsequent KO defeat to Juan Manuel Márquez in 2012. He’s since avenged that loss to Bradley and posted three straight victories by way of decision, the most recent coming against Chris Algieri this past November.
Mayweather, on the other hand, hasn’t fallen from his perch atop the sport. Despite a brief retirement and troubles with the law, “Pretty Boy” turned “Money” remains unblemished with a 47-0 (26 KO) professional record with his latest victories coming in a pair of bouts versus Marcos Maidana in 2014.
Regardless of what has happened over the course of those five years, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao would still undoubtedly make a massive blip on the sports betting radar. But would it be the most-bet bout ever?
Maybe if it was made five years ago before the shine was worn off. Anticipation can build interest, though, and Mayweather-Pacquiao could challenge Tyson-Holyfield for the heavyweight crown of most-bet boxing match ever – in Nevada at least.
“I would say it would be in the Top 3,” Jeff Stoneback, sportsbook manager at The MGM Mirage in Las Vegas, tells Covers. “I imagine it would be up there but I don’t know if it would be the biggest. Those Tyson fights brought in some big money on him when he was set as the favorite.”
Stoneback says the handle for Mayweather-Pacquico could rival that of an NFL Conference Championship Game, with the fighters’ past contests drawing about the same amount of money as standout NFL regular season matchup or playoff game.
“The overall ticket count, obviously, isn’t as much. But you do have some much larger wagers come in,” he says. “And you get a lot of guys just wanting to bet these big fights. ‘Gimme Mayweather for $20’. Then they see that it’s only going to win like $4. ‘Oh, gimmie the other guy then.’”
For online sportsbooks, which were only being established in 1996 when Tyson lost to Holyfield for the first time, Mayweather-Pacquiao could be the new high-water mark for boxing betting, eclipsing Mayweather’s bout with Oscar De La Hoya in May 2007 – which stands as the biggest fight of the Internet Age.
Scott Kaminsky, sportsbook director at TheGreek.com, says undoubtedly the fight would be a global betting event - not just limited to North America or the Philippines. He says despite what the story is behind the odds, the current prices are appealing to bettors who may not be big boxing fans.
“Sometimes, you get these things with a 10/1 favorite and that scares a lot of people away,” Kaminsky tells Covers. “This is appealing, around 3/1 odds it’s a reasonable fight. People will bet that.”
Kaminsky says the expected purse for the fight and the overall revenue generated is a good indication of how much will be wagered on the match, pointing to the rise in Super Bowl handle every year with more and more people betting on sports.
“It’s all correlated,” he says. “If it’s a record purse, and generates record pay-per-view and there’s a record amount of money coming in, then it will probably have a record handle.”
Early reports estimate Mayweather, who is getting a 60/40 share of the purse, could earned $120 million. And in order to pay that bill, ticket prices would soar with organizers aiming for a $40 million live gate, which would double the $20,003,150 gate from the Mayweather-Canelo Alvarez fight at the MGM Grand in 2013.
“I expect this bout to break records everywhere,” Oddessa told Covers back in December 2009, when the two men first engaged in negotiations. “Pay-Per-Views, live gate and wagering volume. This bout quenches everyone’s thirst for a phenomenal global matchup that will determine the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.”
And half a decade removed, everything in that statement still sounds about right. Hopefully, this time, the bell finally rings.[/details]
tl;dr: In 2009, Pacquiao was +115 and now he’s +235. From slight underdog to heavy underdog.
It was stated by Bert Sugar that Manny was the high favored during the first negotiation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3MZcNQ8SQ Apparently, you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Touche. I’m still looking at more reliable sources (eg sources concerned with gambling) that most bookies had Mayweather at somewhere between -140 and -175 which would’ve made him the favorite.
http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=176069
Dan Rafael did say that Vegas moved it from 8/5 to 7/5 Pacquiao, though.
Either way, Pacquiao wasn’t a consensus favorite, much less a “high favorite”, in 2009/10.
GTFO please. It has been well known at the first time of negotiations who was the higher favored, this came from Bert Sugar. Why the hell would he lie about that? Your sources do not beat mine.
Yeah. Mayweather’s skill and pace control are definitely more apparent than anything Pacquiao done lately; nevertheless, its really Manny’s tenacity and raw power that makes me hopeful that he can possibly edge out a win.
It’s a numbers game really. Floyd has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Manny only needs one clean shot to steamroll him. Even though Manny is showing his age somewhat, he’s still fleet of foot; definitely more than Guerrero, Alvarez, and Maidana have shown. If Floyd gets even slightly chin-checked while retreating or cut, that’s enough of a hole for a world class boxer like Manny to put on some pressure. This is boxing, anything can happen.
As for Pacman being able to last 12 rounds, his level of endurance vs Algieri was phenomenal. I don’t see it being an issue whatsoever.
Tell that to Mosley and Maidana and see what they think. I dislike Floyd as a human being, but I’m not gonna start shunning common sense because of it. We’ve seen Floyd survive some shots before, one punch isn’t going to do it like Marquez did Pac. Floyd isn’t jumping into shots like that for anyone to get him with a OHKO, the odds of that happening in a Floyd fight are beyond slim.
It’s going to take the Maidana blueprint from the first fight, but with cleaner and more varied combinations. Pacquiao is capable of that, I think he’s just a step too slow. Floyd gonna get on his bicycle and outbox him for a fairly uneventful decision. The Facebook/Twitter rage will probably contain more fireworks than this fight, you’re only going to enjoy this if you really enjoy watching a defensive technician work his craft.
I still want Floyd to get punched in his stupid wife beating mouth of course, I just have a hard time seeing how that actually happens.
Pac has three good rounds in him to take out mayweather. After round three he will be outboxed and not make it past the shell.
Mosely cracked Mayweather like 6 years ago. If that was Manny who cracked him, mayweather would have gone down
Yeah previous legends/top fighters didn’t duck top opponents, they were the goats cause the beat the best and faced all comers. Floyd is a coward and an embarrassment to the spirit of boxing. In essence he has hurt his own legacy, so it actually isn’t very smart…forever even if he beats manny, this will be brought up.
Guys like Rocky marciano, or tyson of the 80s…competition was weak but they faced everyone they could. They aren’t to blame, just unfortunate they weren’t stronger opponents so we could get a better sense of how good they were. Floyd ducked the best fighter of his time, and hand picks his opponents. Sorry all I see is coward, and many analysts see it as well.
We all see it right now (most of us anyway), I’m just wondering if that sentiment will stand the test of time. This is a sport that’s hundreds of years old, 50 years from now will people still remember what a petty thug and a coward Floyd was? Or just that he was undefeated and eventually beat Manny? I’m not entirely sure. His technical brilliance will be documented of course, but that’s only part of the story.