Well often when looking at things from a historical standpoint, all the emotion and such of the time is taken out, and it is all objective. It seems rather than the picture becoming fuzzier with time, it actually becomes much clearer now that all the hype/media of the time is not a factor. Now that there is some distance.
I think boxing has been pretty good in how they evaluate their fighters historically. I think with Floyd, considering how popular Manny is in this era, and how unusual/shameful it is for a boxer to completely duck the best competition I think it will always be a black mark on his legacy.
Hopefully Manny pulls off the upset and knocks Floyd out. Mayweatherās legacy will go down the toilet with that one loss, and it will be all the more devastating since he ducked Pac for so many years.
Manny HAS to drop religion, basketball, politics etcā¦ to stand a chance. Too much of these distractions has been seeping away his performance and killed his killer instinct.
Agree with most here that this fight is 5 years late.
Wonāt be salty if manny loses but him winning will be huge.
This isnāt about boxing, itās about money. Way too late, Iām not even hyped about it. Iāll read the result the next day, would not pay to watch it.
Pretty much. Iād also say that I give Pac minimal credit for beating washed up, skinny De La Hoya @ 147 (compared to Floyd fighting him at 154), but he did take care of business with Hatton at 140 (compared to Floyd fighting him at 147).
Did I say he was lying? He said Vegas had Pac as a slight favorite, which I conceded while pointing out that most sportsbooks had it the exact opposite. And more to the point, there was never a point where general opinion was that Pac would wash Mayweather, even Vegas immediately moved that Pac line down because people were pounding Mayweather at those odds. Right now itās Mayweather 3/1 doubt thatās coming down anytime soon.
^ What is up with this floyd mark Thurst, how can you give Pacquiao minimum credit against DLH? You idiots got to realize that vet fighters moving down in weight to challenge itās best is nothing new. Infact there were many vet boxers who moved down weight and managed to take out of the tops of that weight division. Boxing is pure competition. With fighters who are hungry to fight anybody who has a name. No boxing expert has ever underrated those wins. Iām not here to say Pacquiao is better than floyd, or will beat floyd this may 2 because I donāt know. I am not favoring Manny and iām not fully favoring floyd either because in floydās history, the people who gave him problems where the fighters who had styles that where just like Pacquiaoās: Maidana and Castillo. I honestly think Mayweather lost to Castillo, and we saw how Mayweather got into allot of trouble at the earlier rounds against Maidana. Now all of these fighters who are allot weaker and slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao is using a style that is historically known to give floyd bad matches and Pac uses fast combinations along with that style. It was even reported by Evander Holyfield that Mayweather (during the olympics) lost to a south paw.
Anybody who isnāt a mark like Thurst will not deny that Mayweather was reluctant to fight Pacquiao during the time he was at his peak that is why people are not satisfied now. We all knew that Pacquiao was going to get weaker the moment he ran for congress because it was common knowledge that nobody can balance both heavy careers.
I have no idea why old members like Thurst give all this bullshit and high advocating of fraud champions. We have countless examples of champions calling out and fighting any name that was making a buzz. None of them made high demands or waited for their rivals to burn out. I mean take a look at SRK for example, there was a time when SRK had someone who was a prized champion. Someone who was also a long time undefeated champion in many categories. This One. Great. Posterā¦ who would come in, win the GD for 10+ years with his great posts and his great threads. He didnāt wait for other famous names to finish with their threads, he would post it at the same time and won the results. And lets not forget the religion threads where he would just come in and beast on anybody who wanted to try their shit. How can anybody, who has been in SRK for more than even 5 years claim Mayweatherās greatness with out feeling a huge logical flaw based on the history of an actual champion that took place right in front of them?
rematch?? lol nigga if im floyd, talk mad shitā¦say we aignt doing 25 part series like marquez, tell that nigga to get a day job singing karaoke cause his politics suck and drop the mic then retire.
Lets not underrate Pacquiao here. I do understand that his performances are not as they used to be with in the last 3-4 years but he is still able to throw multiple combinations in various angles at high speed. Lets take a look at Castillo, a boxer many think gave floyd his first lost. Castillo fought in angles and managed to get the best of Mayweather and we can say for a fact that Pacquiao punches faster with more combinations and moves to more angles faster than castillo. Sure, Castillo was ages ago and Floyd is a different fighter now than he was before but we have not seen any impressive improvements in terms of combating that style nevertheless, which also means that he hasnāt fought anybody of Castilloās style in a LONG time. This time he is fighting somebody who fights like Castillo but 10x greater/faster/stronger in that style. Lets now go revisit Maidana, who brawled against Mayweather and managed to lock him in corners before exhausting himself, we know for a fact as well that mannyās brawl power is still stronger than Maidanas. I do agree with Mayweather being the favor neveertheless however this is still going to be very interesting because it is highly possible that our doubts on Mannyās chances can be wrong.
I donāt think you realize that weāre basically agreeing on who has the advantage. Your Maidana gameplan is exactly why Pacman has a glimmer of hope:
Pacquiao is faster than Maidana.
Pacquiao is much more technically gifted than Maidana, who was throwing swarming haymakers and getting away with it.
He is intelligently aggressive (sans Marquez).
Pacquiao has more overall experience.
Basically heās everything Maidana is and more, and thatās why he still has a shotā¦ but May isnāt that far away, weāll seeā¦
Castillo and Manny donāt fight that alike. Mayweather was bothered by Castilloās physical strength, also his educated pressure, inside fighting skills, good jab, and body punching. Mannyās speed and angles will give Floyd a hard time adjusting, but heās not physically strong enough to manhandle Floyd around the ring like Castillo, heās not as devoted of a body puncher(Pretty much heās been a headhunter), heās not an inside fighter, nor is his jab that big of a deal(Just a blinder for the straight left or the right hook). Heās very fast, and a strong puncher. Donāt mistake punching power for raw physical strength.
The Maidana comparison isnāt apt either. Maidana came into the ring as a Middleweight in both of their fights and fought very dirty(Especially in the first one). Manny is not a dirty fighter at all. Youāve never seen him clinching somebody with 1 arm, and beating on them with another like Maidana, nor is he strong enough to do that to Floyd. In exchanges granted I will give you that. He always manages to just catch someone with the perfect short crisp shot and hurt them.
Donāt get me wrong. He may just beat him to the punch the entire night and heās great enough to do that, but if he does beat him or at the least manages to put up a good fight IMO it wonāt be based on some kind of stylistic flaw in Mayweatherās game that weāve seen in previous Mayweather fights.
Anyone watch the Manny documentary? It was a really good film.
Pac is fast, but when Floyd uses his legs it really is a problem. Floyd is the type who will get ahead and run the rest of the rounds, and stick with jabbing you to death. Pac canāt be afraid to trade shots and he will have to stick to Floyd and constantly wear him down with punches constantly. If it goes to a decision then Floyd will win.
Russians are just scary. I mean they already look tough as nails, and they hit hard as all fuck.
Iād love to see Pac win. I want Pac to win, but knowing Floydās skill is insane and taking into account that he could have been possibly studying pac all these years. But who knows what will happen. Roach is an amazing coach and I think he may figure something out to at least cause a crack in Floydās armor.
He said as much in the first post. Manny is the more powerful puncher, but Castillo is the stronger and more physically imposing fighter, is what heās trying to say. Thereās a difference in how the two are used.
The combinations can still be there for Manny, and itās what gives him his best chance. He is also a lot smarter than Maidana for sure. But the lack of foot speed will hurt him a lot. Getting into position for those combos to be effective is another matter entirely, which is precisely the reason Mayweather has ducked him until now.
Itās also true that Maidana fought dirty at times but this is boxing. We hold up fights like Haggler vs Hearns as all time greats, where Haggler just punched Hearns straight in the dick multiple times and didnāt get penalized. Same for something like round 9 of Gatti vs Ward. Itās just part of the game at this point.
thiiiisss. this plus the fact in boxing lose 2 or 3 straight and you are thought to be horrible and should retire. i never understood that mentality of boxing. thats one of the bigger reasons ive respected mma moreā¦just cause it doesnt live in a close minded box and knows redemption is always possible. but i do understand why some would hate the human coinflipping sport known as mma.