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RIP Dan Goosen (boxing promoter).

Boxing schedule for Sept 29.

Sept. 29

At Hidalgo, Texas (Fox Sports 1/Fox Deportes): Joseph Diaz Jr. vs. Raul Hidalgo, 10 rounds, featherweights; Fidel Maldonado Jr. vs. Nelson Lara, 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Ricardo Alvarez vs. Michael Johnson, 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Antonio Tarver Jr. vs. Zachary Briones, 4 rounds, middleweights; Joseph Rodriguez vs. Jeremy Longoria, 6 rounds, junior featherweights; Ryan Karl vs. Joey Munoz, 4 rounds, welterweights; Johnny Tapia vs. Carlos Trevino, 4 rounds, junior featherweights; Ricardo Lamas vs. Norberto Saenz, 4 rounds, junior welterweights; Luis Castro vs. Jesus Garza, 4 rounds, junior lightweights; Enrique Alvarez vs. Hector Garza, 4 rounds, welterweights; Ricardo Palacios vs. Gregorio Bergara, 4 rounds, welterweights; Patrick Rangel vs. Manuel Rubalcava, 4 rounds, junior lightweights

At Hammond, Ind.: Mike Jimenez vs. TBA, 8 rounds, super middleweights; Genaro Mendez vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Frank Scalise vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights; Fidel Navarrete vs. TBA, 4 rounds, featherweights; Will Coix vs. TBA, 4 rounds, welterweights; Adan Ortiz vs. TBA, 4 rounds, bantamweights; Joey Hefferle vs. TBA, 4 rounds, lightweights

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October boxing schedule.

Spoiler

OCTOBER
**Oct. 1

At Santa Monica, Calif**. (ESPN2/ESPN Deportes): Curtis Stevens vs. Hassan N’Dam, 12 rounds, IBF middleweight eliminator; Fredrick Lawson vs. Ray Narh, 10 rounds, welterweights; Miguel Marriaga vs. Chris Martin, 8 rounds, featherweights; Issa Akberbayev vs. Giovanni Sarran, 6 rounds, light heavyweights; Sergiy Derevyanchenko vs. Lekan Bayfield, 4 or 6 rounds, middleweights

At Buriram, Thailand: Carlos Buitrago vs. Knockout CP Freshmart, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim strawweight title

**Oct. 3

At Uncasville, Conn.**: Antonio Nieves vs. Ahmed Mahmood, 6 rounds, junior featherweights; Wesley Tucker vs. Justin Johnson, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Lawrence Blakey vs. TBA, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; Nate Green vs. Jorge Abiague, 6 rounds, junior featherweights; Xian Wei Qian vs. Josh Crespo, 4 rounds, featherweights; Ed Latimore vs. Excell Holmes, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Joe Cusumano vs. Solomon Maye, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Zach Ramsey vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights

At Tampa, Florida (Telemundo): Daniel Lozano vs. Jonathan Vidal, 10 rounds, junior bantamweights; Noemi Bosques vs. TBA, 8 rounds, flyweights

At Madrid, Spain: Michele Di Rocco vs. Ruben Nieto, 12 rounds, for Di Rocco’s European junior welterweight title

**Oct. 4

At Mashantucket, Conn. (Showtime)**: Rances Barthelemy vs. Fernando Saucedo, 12 rounds, for Barthelemy’s IBF junior lightweight title; Vanes Martirosyan vs. Willie Nelson, 10 rounds, junior middleweights; Chad Dawson vs. Tommy Karpency, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Dominic Wade vs. KeAndre Leatherwood, 10 rounds, middleweights; Earl Newman vs. TBA, 4 rounds, cruiserweights

At Los Mochis, Mexico (beIN Sports Espanol): Jhonny Gonzalez vs. Jorge Arce, 12 rounds, for Gonzalez’s WBC featherweight title

At Orlando, Florida (UniMas): Felix Verdejo vs. Sergio Villanueva, 8 rounds, lightweights; Gamaliel Rodriguez vs. Martin Cardona, 8 rounds, featherweights; Esquiva Falcao vs. Austin Marcum, 6 rounds, middleweights; Christopher Diaz vs. TBA, 6 rounds, featherweights; Anthony Mercado vs. TBA, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Jantony Ortiz vs. Gilberto Mendoza, 4 rounds, junior bantamweights; Neslan Machado vs. Stephon McIntyre, 4 rounds, featherweights; Jovan Perez vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior welterweights

At Valley Forge, Pa. (GFL.tv): Jessie Carradine vs. Frank Santos De Alba, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Ryan Belasco vs. Niam Nelson, 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Shawn Sutton vs. Anthony Prescott, 4 rounds, welterweights; Travis Thompson vs. Benjamin Burgos, 4 rounds, lightweights; Josue Rivera vs. Christian Molina, 4 rounds, junior welterweights

At Nuevo Leon, Mexico: Celestino Caballero vs. Adrian Estrella, 12 rounds, junior lightweights

At Lviv, Ukraine: Andriy Kotelnik vs. Alexander Benudze, 10 rounds, welterweights; Olexander Usyk vs. Daniel Bruwer, 12 rounds, cruierweights

At Atlantic City, N.J.: Glen Tapia vs. Donatas Bondorovas, 10 rounds, junior middleweights; Mikael Zewski vs. Roberto Ventura, 10 rounds, welterweights; Jesse Hart vs. Roberto Acevedo, 8 rounds, super middleweights; Michael Reed vs. Juan Montiel, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Toka Kahn Clary vs. Camilo Perez, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Julian Rodriguez vs. Christian Steele, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; George Arias vs. Edwin Ranquillo, 4 rounds, heavyweights

At Leeds, England: Josh Warrington vs. Davide Dieli, 12 rounds, for vacant European featherweight title; Ricky Burns vs. Leonardo Esteban Gonzalez, 10 rounds, junior welterweights; Brian Rose vs. Juan Manuel Bonanni, 10 rounds, junior middleweights; Tyrone Nurse vs. Dave Ryan, 12 rounds, for vacant Commonwealth junior welterweight title; Callum Smith vs. TBA, 10 rounds, super middleweights

**Oct. 8

At Biloxi, Miss. (ESPN2/ESPN Deportes)**: Sam Soliman vs. Jermain Taylor, 12 rounds, for Soliman’s IBF middleweight title; Andre Dirrell vs. Nick Brinson, 10 rounds, super middleweights; Mario Barrios vs. Abraham Rubio, 4 rounds, featherweights; Carlos Velasquez vs. Jean Javier Sotelo, 6 or 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Joey Hernandez vs. Jose Miguel Rodriguez, 8 rounds, middleweights; Walter Castillo vs. Miguel Zuniga, 6 or 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Gervonta Davis vs. German Meraz, 8 rounds, featherweights; B.J. Flores vs. Kevin Engel, 8 rounds, cruiserweights; Regis Prograis vs. Mario Hermosillo, 6 rounds, welterweights; Erick Bone vs. Peter Olouch, 8 rounds, welterweights; Phillip Jackson-Benson vs. Michael Gbenga, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; Ahmed Elbiale vs. Dakota Dawson, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; Steve Lovett vs. Ricardo Campillo, 8 rounds, light heavyweights

**Oct. 10

At Indio, Calif. (Fox Sports 1/Fox Deportes):** Ronny Rios vs. Robinson Castellanos, 10 rounds, junior lightweights; Antonio Orozco vs. Steve Forbes, 10 rounds, welterweights; Diego De La Hoya vs. Luis Lizarraga Jr., 6 rounds, junior featherweights; Neeco Macias vs. Robert Crespo, 4 rounds, junior middleweights; Tony Gutierrez vs. TBA, 6 rounds, middleweights; Santiago Guevara vs. Rocco Espinoza, 4 rounds, lightweights; Jesus Delgado vs. Joan Valenzuela, 4 rounds, lightweights

At Mexico City (Telemundo): David Carmona vs. Martin Casillas, 10 rounds, junior bantamweights

At El Paso, Texas: Michael Finney vs. TBA, 6 rounds, junior middleweights; David Benavidez vs. TBA, 4 rounds, super middleweights; Philip Schoonover vs. Keith Busch, 4 rounds, cruiserweights; Adam Vasquez vs. Estefan McCray, 4 rounds, welterweights; Johnny Guillen vs. Julio Sarinana, 4 rounds, lightweights; Jorge Pinon vs. Alfonso Olivera, 4 rounds, junior welterweights; Joe Martell vs. TBA, 4 rounds, welterweights; Emmanuel Nieves vs. TBA, 4 rounds, junior lightweights

**At Calais, France: **Roman Jacob vs. Devis Boschiero, rematch, 12 rounds, for Jacob’s European junior lightweight title

**Oct. 11

At Merida, Mexico (beIN Sports Espanol)**: Jorge Paez Jr. vs. Aaron Herrera, 10 rounds, welterweights; Miguel Berchelt vs. Antonio Escalante, 10 rounds, junior lightweights

At Cancun, Mexico: Carlos Molina vs. Cornelius “K9” Bundrage, 12 rounds, for Molina’s IBF junior middleweight title

At London: Lee Selby vs. Joel Brunker, 12 rounds. IBF featherweight eliminator; Kevin Mitchell vs. TBA, 12 rounds, lightweights; Anthony Joshua vs. Denis Bakhtov, 10 rounds, heavyweights; John Ryder vs. Sergey Khomitsky, 12 rounds, middleweights; Ricky Boylan vs. Tyler Goodjohn, 10 rounds, welterweights; John Wayne Hibbert vs. Philip Bowes, 10 rounds, junior welterweights

At Lewiston, Maine: Brandon Berry vs. Eric Palmer, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Stevie Gamache vs. Damon Antoine, 4 rounds, junior middleweights; Brandon Brewer vs. Saul Almeida, 6 rounds, junior middleweights; Bruce Boyington vs. Nate Charles, 4 rounds, junior middleweights; Joel Bishop vs. Jarod Lawton, 4 rounds, super middleweights; John Webster vs. John Downey, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; Nick Cyr vs. Antonio Assermelly, 4 rounds, heavyweights; James Carville vs. Johnny Frazier, 4 rounds, lightweights

**Oct. 16

At Auckland, New Zealand:** Joseph Parker vs. Sherman Williams, 12 rounds, heavyweights

**Oct. 17

At Mexico City (Telemundo):** Edgar Ortega vs. Pablo Munguia, 10 rounds, welterweights

At TBA, Argentina: Juan Carlos Reveco vs. Yodmongkol Vor Saengthep, 12 rounds, for Reveco’s WBA “regular” flyweight title

At Baton Rouge, La.: Travis Scott vs. Jaquin Zamora, 8 rounds, middleweights; Justin Thomas vs. Daniel Henry, 6 rounds, super middleweights; Chris Singleton vs. Steve Trumble, 6 rounds, lightweights; Arthur Thomas vs. Todd Manuel, 6 rounds, welterweights; Larry Stampley vs. Jay Orta, 4 rounds, super middleweights

**Oct. 18

At Carson, Calif. (HBO/HBO Latino):** Gennady Golovkin vs. Marco Antonio Rubio, 12 rounds, for Golovkin’s WBA middleweight “super” title; Nonito Donaire vs. Nicholas Walters, 12 rounds, for Donaire’s WBA featherweight “super” title; Edwin Rodriguez vs. Azea Augustama, 10 rounds, light heavyweights; Marcos Reyes vs. Abie Han, 10 rounds, middleweights; Jaime Ocegueda vs. Moris Rodriguez, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Ruslan Madiyev vs. Joan Valenzuela, 4 rounds, lightweights; Walter Sarnoi vs. Sergio Najera, 6 rounds, featherweights

At Philadelphia (NBC Sports Net): Steve Cunningham vs. Natu Visinia, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Edner Cherry vs. Jerry Belmontes, 10 rounds, lightweights; Tyrone Brunson vs. DeCarlo Perez, 8 rounds, middleweights; Victor Vasquez vs. Gerald Smith, 6 rounds, lightweights; Ryan Bivens vs. Alshamar Johnson, 4 rounds, light heavyweights; Vincent Floyd vs. Robert Sweeney, 4 rounds, middleweights

At DĂźsseldorf, Germany: Tony Thompson vs. Oldanier Solis, rematch, 12 rounds, heavyweights; Agit Kabayel vs. Memnun Hadzic, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Selcuk Aydin vs. TBA, 8 rounds, welterweights

At Catano, Puerto Rico: Emmanuel Rodriguez vs. Miguel Cartagena, 10 rounds, bantamweights

**Oct. 22

At Tokyo**: Shinsuke Yamanaka vs. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai, 12 rounds, for Yamanaka’s WBC bantamweight title; Takahiro Ao vs. Juan Carlos Salgado, 10 rounds, lightweights

**Oct. 24

At Kissimmee, Fla. (Telemundo):** Orlando Cruz vs. Ruben Tamayo, 10 rounds, featherweights; Daniel Rosario vs. Jose Alberto Leal, 8 rounds, welterweights

At Barraquilla, Colombia: Darleys Perez vs. Jaider Parra, 12 rounds, for Perez’s WBA interim lightweight title

At Moscow: Carlos Takam vs. Alexander Povetkin, 12 rounds, heavyweights

At Melbourne, Australia: Alex Leapai vs. Malik Scott, 10 rounds, heavyweights

At Somerset, N.J.: Antoine Douglas vs. TBA, 8 rounds, super middleweights; Jorge Diaz vs. TBA, 8 rounds, featherweights; John Magda vs. TBA, 6 rounds, super middleweights; Wanzell Ellison vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights; Bienvenido Diaz vs. TBA, 4 rounds, lightweights; Glenn Dezurn vs. TBA, 4 rounds, featherweights; Anthony Cintron vs. TBA, 4 rounds, featherweights

**Oct. 25

At Fresno, Calif. (UniMas):** Jose Ramirez vs. TBA, 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Jessie Magdaleno vs. Erick Ruiz, 8 rounds, junior featherweights; Andy Ruiz vs. TBA, 8 rounds, heavyweights

At Hull, England: Luke Campbell vs. Daniel Brizuela, 8 rounds, lightweights; Tommy Coyle vs. Michael Katsidis, 12 rounds, lightweights; Gavin McDonnell vs. Vusi Malinga, 12 rounds, junior featherweights

At Monte Carlo: Martin Murray vs. Domenico Spada, 12 rounds, middleweights; Randy Caballero vs. Stuart Hall, 12 rounds, for vacant IBF bantamweight title; Hekkie Budler vs. Xiong Zhao Zhong, 12 rounds, for Budler’s WBA strawweight title; Ryno Liebenberg vs. Eleider Alvarez, 12 rounds, light heavyweights

At Liverpool, England: Zolani Tete vs. Paul Butler, 12 rounds, for Tete’s IBF junior bantamweight title; Derry Mathews vs. Adam Dingsdale, 12 rounds, lightweights; Liam Smith vs. TBA, 12 rounds, junior middleweights; Oville McKenzie vs. Matty Askin, 12 rounds, for McKenzie’s British and Commonwealth cruiserweight titles; Valery Yanchy vs. Kevin Satchell, 12 rounds, for Yanchy’s European flyweight title; Chris Eubank Jr. vs. TBA, 8 rounds, middleweights; Tom Stalker vs. Chris Jenkins, 10 rounds, junior welterweights; Jack Catterall vs. TBA, 8 rounds, junior welterweights; Michael Gomez Jr. vs. TBA, 4 rounds, featherweights; Matty Fagan vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights

**Oct. 30

At Plymouth, Mass. (Fox Sports 1/Fox Deportes):** Danny O’Connor vs. Andrew Farmer, 10 rounds, welterweights; Sharif Bogere vs. Aaron Melgarejo, 10 rounds, lightweights; Jason Quigley vs. Serge Cadeus, 4 rounds, middleweights; Mark DeLuca vs. TBA, 6 rounds, middleweights

**Oct. 31

At Cuxhaven, Germany:** Karo Murat vs. Varol Vekiloglu, 10 rounds, light heavyweights

At Toowoomba, Australia: Jack Asis vs. Isais Santos Sampaio, 10 rounds, junior lightweights; Kris George vs. Fernando Ferreira Da Silva, 10 rounds, junior welterweights; Brayd Smith vs. TBA, 8 rounds, featherweights; Darren Askew vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights

At Hammond, Ind.: Mike Jimenez vs. TBA, 8 rounds, super middleweights; Genaro Mendez vs. TBA, 6 rounds, welterweights; Frank Scalise vs. TBA, 6 rounds, lightweights; Fidel Navarrete vs. TBA, 4 rounds, featherweights; Will Coix vs. TBA, 4 rounds, welterweights; Adan Ortiz vs. TBA, 4 rounds, bantamweights; Joey Hefferle vs. TBA, 4 rounds, lightweights

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*Looking forward to the GGG and Filipino Flash bouts. *

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You also completely avoided my question.

He’s just too damn big and strong. There is noway Cotto is going to be able to take out GGG because they fight the same style, but Golovkin’s power is freaky. He probably stops him before the 8th round.

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From all I can remember Cotto was more concerned with the piss test if I remember. He was already cutting the water before making weight so he couldn’t piss anymore. I don’t recall anything regarding the blood test though. In fact they don’t take out pints, they take out a tea spoon whenever they are taking blood for HGH. That’s all they need.

I’ve said it countless times, I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked that he used the drug testing as an out to keep him from fighting Manny, but the way Manny handled the situation (plus his alternative to Olympic style blood testing) made him look really really really fucking guilty to only blind Pacquiao fans and the boxing websites who are shills to the promoters who subsidize them (I’m looking at Maxboxing). Seriously, he gave up 40 million dollars guaranteed before PPV incentives over blood testing yet I’m not supposed to be suspicious?

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Anyone gonna watch the Diaz x Hidalgo fight?

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You asked me if XYZ professional athlete is using performance drugs. Based on what? If I say yes, then what? If I say no, then what? What does delving into this prove anything? Can you tell if someone is on drugs just by looking at him? If you say yes, then that’s a buncha bull. Only in the most extreme cases can say yes.
If you want to believe Pac is on gear, then believe away!

The point of this discussion is that the two ought to be fighting one another when they’re not because of this and that pretext and it’s been more than half a decade and if you still care about this match-up then you need to watch other boxers.

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Depends on the Patriots game and the availability of the stream.

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NO I didn’t ask you if he used drugs, so don’t try to twist the meaning of the question. I asked you do you have suspicion that he might have used drugs, but more importantly, do you think that his behavior in handling this situation wasn’t suspicious. And the reason why I ask is because far too many Pacquiao fans that I’ve seen have tried to use this issue to call Mayweather out for being a coward and at the same time try to paint the picture that there is no reason to suspect that Pacquiao might have been a user. The fact is that the way that Manny handled this situation made him look guilty.

I’m scared of needles, despite having mad tattoos.

“I’m offended by the Mayweather camp even bringing up the issue, but we only walked away from the negotiation table when Mayweather wouldn’t accept our own much weaker alternative to Olympic style testing.”

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Right. Team Pacquiao’s compromise was no test 30 days from the fight, and only a set amount of blood tests.

I’m looking like

In what world do you come to the table with those kind of terms and not look suspect.

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I see. I thought you were trying to get me to say something by asking a loaded question.

No, I don’t think it’s suspicious because as an athlete, you’re really pushing the envelope whilst trying to not injure yourself or overtrain. It’s walking a fine line AND THEN someone pops up and says you gotta give blood even though you have a great need for rest. I personally hate giving urine and blood samples for whatever blood tests and random drug test for work.

A lot of professional athletes do use gear and get away with it. The strongest athletes that I know personally are natty. The strongest men that I have read of were natty as well since they existed before all these gimmicks were invented. I’ve also seen really puffy guys that look like the Michelin mascot that though were three times bigger than me, were much weaker than me and always snapping this and that tendon. Times have changed that’s for sure.

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I don’t think Pacquiao was a user. I think that was a stupid claim that any intelligent person would know as bullshit. It was a pure dodge and only fanboys deny that because even IF pacquiao was on peds that is not a reason for a boxer to stall as long. The accusation is just played by idiots actually. First, the “pacquiao claims to be scarred of needles but has mad tattoos” line shows allot of ignorance, the fear of needles isn’t being afraid of getting pricked or sharp things scraping/poking at your skin, it’s fear of injections being stuck in your vein and drawing out blood. Lastly, Peds that can go out undetected come with STRONG side effects; if peds that are detectable causes side effects then it’s obvious that stronger peds will show more.

Even if Mayweather comes around and says yes to fighting pacquiao it’s not going to be as great as it could have been 2 years ago. Mayweather ruined boxing. Boxers who were on the top did not refuse to fight anybody in their division, they didn’t make delays due to lolpolitics. They didn’t give a shit about “roids”, or the boxers boss, or creating money split issues… they cared about showing the world that they were the best and would fight anybody. Not only is he the reason why boxing isn’t able to get it’s most wanted match but he is completely boring. I know mayweather fans like going “hey, it’s watching a scientist…” in defending the lolentertainment value of his matches but actual boxing fans don’t order a PPV to just sit in a chair with their fist beneath their chin; they watch it with a load of beer with the guys and yelling their asses off. Fuck him, Fuck his fans, and fuck Arum.

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My nigga that’s every reason to stall. This is a combat sport, not just dudes passing a ball around. Fight him if he’s on PEDS anyways? What kind of sense does that make?

Also that’s way too small of a sample size(People suspect him from about '09 to about ‘11) to see any kind of noticable side effects. See just about every Cyclist in the Tour De’ France.

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Defending a retarded point has caused you start spewing nonsensical dribble. There’s nothing ignorant about pointing out the hypocrisy of Pac, what is (or rather was) ignorant was his idea that giving a small vial of blood would weaken him despite decades of proof that that’s complete nonsense.

It’s funny that now Pac mandates his opponents be drug tested in addition to what the commission requires or in simpler terms, he’s does exactly what he refused to do for the Mayweather fight.

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Watching Boxing now. Alvarez and Johnson right now. Also switching between wrestling and football.

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LOL Did Bradley, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito refuse to fight him during the whole accusation? What about the opponents of Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko, Roy Jones… did they refuse to fight them? Because of the history of Boxers who have fought regardless of accusations, it makes sense. Other than that, there has not been any visible signs of PEDS in manny, and people saying there is because he is small guy who knocked out several boxers are very ignorant of peds and just being Floyd marks. PEDS have side effects, now since this “PED” that Pac is using manages to ninja the testing, then this is obviously a special PED and regardless you thinking that’s a “small sample size”, we still would have seen the side effects. Manny’s accusation started around 09, and that was built (by mayweather) from the results of his previous matches so it’s a good enough time.

Oh there is allot of ignorance in thinking that fear of needles is hypocritical due to having/getting tats. That is retarded. Every boxing legend to boxing expert does not deny that Mayweather is stalling. Just watch the videos i posted, and search for Tyson, Bradley, and other boxers of the past to now… there is nobody who disagrees about Mayweather being the one who is avoiding and the only people who think other wise are his fans.

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why are people still arguing about PEDS? if i remember correctly, Pac already agreed a long time to all of Mayweather’s demands except the split on revenue. Pac even offered 45/55 to Mayweather.

the real reason this fight ain’t happening is because of May’s beef with Arum.

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This is correct ^. That being said, that all happened after the fact so people just argued he cycled off but the whole argument is stupid. The only thing that is really scary is that Pac Man is one the the only person to win titles in 8 different weight classes and he keeps getting considerably stronger every time he works into a new weight class. And that alone is not only unheard of but suspicious. It may make sense that when he was getting bigger he was getting stronger but he was also getting faster and getting older lol.

Personally, I dont think he used but thats me. None of us really know the culture of boxing to that type of extent. People thought that baseball players were legit for a while too lol

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This is correct ^. That being said, that all happened after the fact so people just argued he cycled off but the whole argument is stupid. The only thing that is really scary is that Pac Man is one the the only person to win titles in 8 different weight classes and he keeps getting considerably stronger every time he works into a new weight class. And that alone is not only unheard of but suspicious. It may make sense that if you’re getting bigger you’re getting stronger but hes also getting faster and getting older lol.

Personally, I dont think he used but thats me. None of us really know the culture of boxing to that type of extent. People thought that baseball players were legit for a while too lol

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PEDs in baseball have been around since at least the 30s. dudes used to pop uppers before and during games

I never believed that stupid “I just wanna clean up the sport” charade floyd put on. he never even MENTIONS drug testing anymore, it was all a big showboat drama