If he was scolding Mayweather because of the fear of getting robbed you would not hear "You are fighting like you scared"
The point is, the way Mayweather fights is not allowed in boxing, you don’t get any score for blocking hits, running away more than even attempting to throw something… that’s common knowledge and you see that because even Floyd Sr knew that. That is why he was blasting floyd in the corner as to how Pacquiao is going to be given the fight if Floyd continues to fight the way he was.
Oh please, it’s you who has no idea about Boxing and what he is talking about. The aggressor is the one who is given the points, you made the foolish comment about Ali and Foreman happening the same way, which shows your only knowledge of that fight is by reading forums. Ali was losing to Foreman because of not doing shit but dodge, rope derp, etc… it was the KO he landed that saved his match. With out that, Ali would have LOST because he didn’t box more than foreman did. B Hop isn’t “undefeated” is he, he actually has lost him matches because of that… thanks for the point.
I never said mayweather’s punches never connected, but he was blocking and avoiding more shots than hitting the guy in total. If a boxer manages to put an opponent on the defensive while pressured on the ropes, that is counted as effective landing because the opponent is not boxing.
What you don’t seem to get is that in boxing, if no one gets seriously hurt (if there is no blood, no knockdowns, no damage being done) then the round will be going towards the aggressor who is attempting/engaging to box. How else will the points get scored the 9’s the 10’s, just by a few pop shots?
Cutwest is the biggest idiot/troll in this thread though. He can’t respond with anything other than showing the people he has blocked and he will only block you for destroying his stupid replies.
Ali was leading Foreman on all of the scorecards when he KO’d him, but by all means, please tell me more about your knowledge about how fights are scored!
No one thought oscar or gatti were gonna beat floyd lol
I remember jim romes rants on the radio telling oscar he needed to retire after his epic win over mayorga the fight before
Aside from that the last opponent i felt truly had a chance to win was canelo and before that cotto. Every other fight on this showtime contract was a foregone conclusion (tho maidana I was a pleasant surprise, to see someone going that hard at floyd was refreshing). Berto never stood a chance.
Floyd has beaten the most champs in history IIRC so his record is solid. I wish he wouldve displayed more offense when he clearly had the chance to in his later years but he did have that brittle hands problem.
*That’s part of Mayweathers “brand” of boxing. It may look like his opponents are busier in terms of punches thrown but that isn’t backed up by stats if you look at Compubox round by round workrate breakdown. The evidence shows that Mayweather is the turtlers turtle, he dictates the pace of the fight, makes everyone he face throw a similar amount of punches as him but he lands at a higher percentage. That’s if you go by metrics which I believe Compubox is actually quite flawed but it at least gives us an overall view of trends and tendencies of boxers and general workrate.
With that said, Mayweathers use of the clinch is deceptively smart. Not just because he uses it to break up his opponents rhythm and flow but because Mayweather sets up alot of his of his offense through the clinch. He always clinches with his left hand and uses his free dominant hand to rip off shots to the body. He routinely uses the clinch to reposition himself and his opponent in the ring and to reverse position when on the ropes. Not just that, he loves going for a hooks, specially the check hook after the break of the clinch. Make no doubts about it, it’s lame as fuck but also effective in a multitude of ways. *
The scorecard between both of them is sort of debatable if you check around the net. The difference between the Ali/Foreman fight and the Mayweather fights is that Ali’s defense wasn’t round consuming as Floyds. Ali actually strikes back with numerous jabs+straights that shown to dish out actual damage. If the other boxer is shown to be the one who is hurt then his aggression doesn’t get points any more. The 5th round was clearly in Foreman’s favor in the beginning because Ali didn’t even fight, he just shelled up in the ropes the majority of the time until the last 30 sec of that round where Ali was connecting with clean combos to foreman’s face. You can see the way Foreman gets off balanced from the hits he got during the last seconds of the rounds therefore Ali ended up winning the rounds. In short, the reason why the similarity between Floyd and Ali is wrong is because Ali did land allot of clean combinations on counter which caused damage while the same thing can’t be said about Floyd in his matches. If the Floyd/Manny thing wasn’t story lined then the argument that Ralph is making is actually correct.
You Floyd fans never watched actual boxing so stfu with your nonsense. Isn’t the question “if no one is getting hurt, then how else does the points get scored” mean anything to you? The ignorance you guys display towards boxing is incredible, some idiot used Ali/Foreman as an example of how running means matches, if he actually watched that fight he would see foreman struggling to even keep his balance from the start of the 3rd round. You labeling actual facts as non facts is what is dumb.
Actually I didn’t say anything about running, specifically mentioned clinching which Ali was doing a lot of and literally became his hallmark along with laying on the ropes once he got older.
…also what almost got him killed against Holmes and is a big reason why he can’t stand still to this day, but ya know "Boxing is all about aggression, right?!
I’m not saying Floyd can’t fight. I’ve said it before that Floyd is like a cobra who hypnotizes his opponents in playing his game, it’s just his whole record is what i think is bogus. The way the points go leaves me to believe the rumors of him controlling everything in Vegas for his favor.
The fact that Thurst said “Boxing is about aggression” shows he has no idea what he is talking, boxing is not about being idle on defense through out the majority of the rounds, the boxer has to even the score through punches. Blocking, running, and all that has been complained does not win points and Floyd does this more in every round than throwing something. The Ali/Foreman comparison was retarded because as said by Marvin, you can see the damage being done to Foreman as early as the 3rd round no shit Ali was getting points. Ali’s rope a derp is the example of actual defensive fighting, his clinching wasn’t one of the top methods in disrupting momentum because you can see him retaliate against foreman by punching him repeatedly over the head and based on the reaction Foreman gets we know that the points will be scored on Ali because of the damage.
It just comes down to the question as to how the points will be scored if nothing is really going on (no one is getting hurt). If no one is getting hurt then there are no effective shots being thrown therefore the points will go to the one who is throwing the most and forcing the engaging. It’s hard for 21st century fans who really got in boxing through floyd and youtube but that is just how it always was. Period.
I’m not super knowledgeable about boxing just yet, BUT, I think Floyd’s style is brilliant. Basically control the pace of the match and let the other guy hang himself because the longer the fight goes, the better a chance Floyd has of winning. He wants to get paid and not take too many shots, and his style allows for that. Is it always exciting to watch? No, but if you know what you’re seeing you can at least appreciate what it is he’s doing.
It’s also about style. There aren’t a lot of fighters that fight like Floyd and make it work like he does. And because there aren’t a lot of guys fighting like that, it means he’s going to mesh well stylistically with more fighters, which I think is part of why he’s such a big marquee name. It’s the reason Ali/Frazier 1 is a classic and Frazier/Foreman is just good. Frazier & Ali had styles that complemented each other and meshed so well that it made the fight exciting to watch, whereas when he fought Foreman, Frazier was just fighting a bigger, younger, stronger version of himself, which is why those fights were over so quick.
Do I think Floyd is GOAT? No. But he’s up there, and even though I think he’s engineered his fights to help ensure that he retires undefeated, he’s probably one of, if not the smartest, fighters ever to step into the ring.
Listen… I agree with Boog on the basis that people who “Watch” boxing vs actually train let alone have played the sport don’t know shit and so many armchair warriors are usually the first to criticize. The reason Floyd is so successful is a few reasons. One… he trains harder than anybody. Yes he talks a lot of shit but literally the dude’s training regiment is just pure insanity. He is also MUCH naturally bigger than his respective weight class which is why he’s gone up 5 weight classes since he started and the biggest thing of all is his distance is perfect. If you look at many great fighters like for example, anderson silva or Bones, they generally share these kinds of characteristics. These outlying factors combine with the fact he’s extremely fast make him a great make up of a fighter. He was born to be a fighter, his dad and uncle were boxing. And now so is he. Any of the people I know here whos parents stayed coaches/ran very successful gyms as they grew up all went pro or are in the process of being pro boxers (except me lol. But my dad gave his club to his student and the two of them were both my coaches by the time i was boxing seriously). Anyways, Mayweather is shit for the sport but a great fighter. GOAT, definitely not because whether it was the time period or the people who picked to fight, he never had any of the battles that make him an all time great. But he’s likely somwhere in there. I think there is a ton of fighters that were in the older eras that would destroy him but those are some of my top 10 all timers. People just need to stop talking about floyd lol.
