Can any of you kind Phoenix experts figure out a way to include her w/Hulk? I really like using Hulk in tournaments, seems to get me pretty far but I also want to include Phoenix, been liking her a lot. I think of Hulk/Dog/Phoenix, with Dog on point. This a good idea? Any tips more than welcome, thanks
Looking for feedback…I’m Running Ammy(Cold Star)/Morrigan(Dark Harmonizer)/Phoenix(Shot)
Morrigan allows metter build while ammy can pressure with reflecter or beads. Only bring out sword for sure damage combos
If I land reflector combo then i take it aerial for meter building exchange. Now if i time it right, i can use morrigan to assist right before i leave the ground with ammy, this allows me to exchange with phoenix then back with ammy, or for lower risk but also lower meter gain, i may assist with phoenix for an Ammy/Morrigan/Ammy aerial exchange. my TK shot will not hit before you launch, but that is actually better for you because you dont want them falling out of hitstun before you can Shuffle when you reenter with Ammy.
If i end up with Phoenix snapped in, a have alot of options, if shes nearly 5 bars, dark harmonizer may safely fill her to 5. If not, cold star can help approach to get in close for a safe aerial exchange. Of course ideally you want your Jean game to be good on its own, which I’m working on, although I’m having problems getting the full aerial with ground bounce midscreen. a full combo from light phoenix will do pretty high damage. If i have to I’ll use 2 bars to get phoenix out by using phoenix inferno at any time for a DHC back to Morrigan’s Astral Vision as a safe exchange that puts me at a good advantage. Inferno has startup invincibility I believe, which allows it to be safe DHC even on block…at least in my experience. if this isn’t the case someone should confirm.
If phoenix is already Dark and i have put her away, I try to have ammy on point and be using dark harmonizer. When i get 4 bars, i try and get an okami shuffle off on a grounded opponent and follow this up with Morrigans level 3 (214AA) for 700k-900k damage depending on how i got to the shuffle.
I like to combo into S>SJC>MM>3H>236S>Okami Shuffle (236AA)>Morrigan lvl 3 (214AA)
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playing phoenix will 90% revolve around what the other characters are… seeing as shes nearly useless as an assist…
Using Skrull/ammy/sent really awresome synergy but going to swap out ammy for phoenix and so how it pans out.
go with Dormammu on point, and put dr.doom with hidden missiles assist. they’ll have a really hard time getting close. you can try amaterasu with cold star too, but doom’s hidden missiles stops the momentum, which is good.
I have somewhat of a meter heavy team…Dante/Ryu/Phoenix (all black everything!) Ryu is the problem child for Jean. My assist selection needs some work for Ryu as hadoken has been what I’ve been relying on. DHC is great because I practically always have someone to clear me out or provide max damage at full screen. Crossover Hyper (3@ once) leaves some ridiculous damage and options when its don’t with jean on point because of Dante’s long ass million dollars. DPH isn’t really a factor for me so it’s really crazy with jean as she’s putting it all out there all or nothing lol. I’m liking V Joe so I might replace ryu for him.
IMO Morrigan Dark Harmonizer assist is a must. It allows Pheonix to use meter more freely . She is SO good without DP . And with Healing field you can survive alot of combos .
Haggar is great for Pheonix because lariat assist acts as a reversal and you can combo from it . He can do 650k , no meter , that is a huge plus . Lariat beats armor and cancels into Hyper .
Amaterasu is prolly Pheonix worst matchup . The Okami Shuffle and Slow time are a pain . Haggar does well head to head with Ammy because the pipe shuts down her approach , she cant air dash over it . Lariat assist rarely hits her , though.
The muthafucking TRUTH!!! JESUS!!! You have to be COMPLETELY aware of this beast at all times…power of the destructor x3 plus X-factor = Damn near DEATH ANYWHERE ON SCREEN FOR JEAN! Though…i suppose since I rarely come across him online its just caught me off guard completely. Teleport is and always will be your best friend.
Get rid of Ryu. Unless you’re completely going all in and not planning on using Dark Phoenix, then Ryu is one of the worst charcters to use with Phoenix. In order for him to be a viable, he needs that meter for Shinkuu Hadoken. That Shinkuu does everything for him. Ryu’s dash is slow and he can’t get around the screen like other players. But he can hit anybody from almost anywhere on the screen with that friggin Shinkuu near instantaneously. He caps combos off with it. He DHCs safely with it. He punishes assists with it. He AAs with it. I’ve even heard it cooks his breakfast and makes his bed. Ryu users normally throw out 3 of those babies a round.
This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:
I do like Dante with Jean though. I’m running a Dante/Morrigan/Phoenix team right now. I’m thinking about switching assists though. I’m using Dante’s Crystal to keep the opponent grounded and OTG with Morrigan and Phoenix but Weasel Shot is intruiging to me.
Oh… and before I forget. If you use Dante, your meter does not build while he’s in Devil Trigger.
I am currently using
Tron- Gustaf Fire
Deadpool-Katanarama for OTG
Phoenix-TK Trap
i like to have tron on point because she is a tank and can do some good damaging combos without meter and deadpool can also help me play keepaway a little, but I do tend to swap in Phoenix regardless when she has 4 meters she really is that good. Tron’s assist is so good too once shes out its invincible I think. Tron and Phoenix are my two mains so far but I am really having a hard time with a 3rd so ive been trying Deadpool, Dante, Chris, and Dormmamu. Any suggestions on who could mold well with Tron and Phoenix?
So I’ve been running Zero a/Phoenix a/Doom a. Its pretty solid for a team. My Zero is pretty decent IMO and Doom’s laser is SOOOO goldlike. So basically the game plan is:
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Go fucking nuts with Zero. No mercy. 0 meter corner combos with Phoenix and Doom’s assist do like 400k, so do them as much as possible. By the time Zero dies, you should have 5 meters or damn close to it.
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When phoenix comes in, zone till you get 5 meters (shouldn’t be far from it) then go nuts with more 0 meter combos. When Phoenix dies, you get resurrected and you bring doom in.
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Try to finish them off with Doom. if he dies Dark phoenix comes in.
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Finish them mortal kombat style.
I am also thinking about putting Tron in for Doom for that flame assist. SOOOO GDLK
huh? Sentinel and Haggar are dog food for Ammy. cold star (the move, not the assist) pretty much shut him right out of her game. If he starts to get a little to close it’s more than easy enough to air dash up and to the other side of the screen, and start cold star-ing his ass again.
Has anyone been successful with a Ryu/“X”/Phoenix team?
Has anyone tried out:
Deadpool/Doom/Phnx
Dante/Deadpool/Phnx
Akuma/Doom/Phnx
Wolverine/Ironman/Phnx
I’m thinking about:
point - ?
A1- Doom
A2- Phoenix
bad bad idea.
you don’t want phoenix transform as your second character and then tag her out.
If you gets tagged in eventually when your second character dies, she’s on a silver platter and subject to horrible mixups before you are able to reach the ground and activate lvl 3 xfactor.
You really want that invincibility and knockback when you transform to immiedietly activate xfactor and either s.jump and create projectiles or immediately teleport if the enemy has long range safe supers like ryu, dorm or storm so they can’t catch you creating homing projectiles.
all you want do with phoenix is really just abuse the 20 seconds of lvl 3 xfactor and kill everybody in a single combo.
just remember that against characters with good full screen supers you don’t want to give them ANY space to activate it so just stay on them.
ive been using the team of
woverine(berserker barrage)/sentinel( force charge)/phoenix(tk overdrive)
wolverine is the battery of the team building meter very quick. phoenix overdrive assist helps wolverines rush down to open characters up and extends combos. plus its relatively safe if used correctly since it comes out fast. very similar to akumas tatsu assist. sentinel is the tank of the team that does a ton a damage as you all know.
meter is built very quickly with this set up where in a match you dont have to start saving meter right away, you can do a few hyper combos before you have start stocking up. (optional, u can start stocking right away but not necessary)
also since phoenix assist is used during wolverine’s rush down if the by chance she is killed off, the opponent has to deal with the terror that is level 3 xfactor sentinel instead of a level 3 xfactor dark phoenix.
when ive been playing this team i usually rarely need to go to level 3 xfactor with dark phoenix. by the time my wolverine is killed (if hes killed) i usually have 5 bars stocked and just xfactor level 2 dark phoenix ftw. with sentinel force charge assist to help lock down the opponent.
has any one else tried this team out. ive been very successful with it and have yet to lose a rank match playing it.
actually her tk overdrive assist is really good with rush down characters like wolverine. similar to how jwong uses wolverine/akuma assist. its has a fast start up so its pretty safe, u just cant be reckless with it and mash on it randomly.
I actually think most of her assists are pretty good, the fireball is fast and accurate and has a good chunk of durability, Overdrive hits nice and fast, and the trap is good for using someone like Doom to build meter because then there is less fear of getting punched in the noggin.
Carelessness and a lack of caution kill assists, not assists themselves. But I usually don’t like to use her as an assist anyways, cause its usually Morrigan.
I have to disagree, people will just waste meter the moment they even suspect phoenix is coming in to assist. Wasting one ranged super on the chance of completely killing one of his characters, especially phoenix is defilitely worth the trade. As such, only the overdrive is useful. Doing things like dropping traps and fireballs to cover the main will get Phoenix killed quickly due to the startup. The overdrive, however is amazing. I use it often to bait supers since the window to smack her is so small.
I have Zero/Dante/Phoenix, and i’m noticing that no one has said this team yet. Do you guys think it has good synergy to it? my strategy of course is to get to level 5 and keep everyone alive at the same time by building meter with zero. Then when i reach level 5, i immediate switch to pheonix and do the most damage i can and switch back to zero once she tranforms. I use zero’s BnB but instead of ending it with Rekkoha I air combo to dante who does M H sky dance to Jackpot link that to phoenic inferno then x-factor cancel to anther pheonix inferno. it does 100 percent and it’s a great stup for pheonix to rushdown whoever comes out after the combo, but when i do lose i feel that health is the issue. Any suggestions?
reshuffel i feel that all phoenix teams must have a tank character in the line up to avoid all premature deaths due to low character health… maybe adding sent/hulk/tron/haggar to the team would give you better results