I may be the wrong person to ask since I play Spencer/Task/Skrull but I don’t think you need a “god” tier character in order to compete. Wandles runs Hulk/X-23/IronMan and normally places well and our buddy 645 runs Felicia/Hawkeye/Task and also normally places well in all tournaments we attend. You can even look at a lot of the Japanese teams, Abegen runs Tron/Thor/SheHulk and I love watching his team. Kosuro came to Final Round (granted it has been a full year and things have changed since) and he blew the US up.
I’m definitely under the school of thought that any character can work if you put the time into creating a team that offsets their weaknesses. The best characters are the best because they bring the most to the table without leaving too much off. A good team is a team that covers the majority of their character’s weaknesses while also complementing each others strengths. “Bad” or lower tier characters typically don’t bring as much to the table (i.e. damage, meter build, health, etc.) but there are soooo many exploits in this game (assist glitches, TAC infinites, etc.) that you can build a good team that complements a “bad” character.
marvel 3 is flexible enough that a good and smart player can win a tournament with a team not considered god/top tier. thats just the way marvel 3 is. the gap difference between characters and or teams that are considered low or mid tier is not as big as some ppl make it seem. in mvc2 it was a different story, if you went to a major rocking iceman,colossus,doom there was a 99.9% chance you were not even gonna place top 8 or even top 16 with that team if the killers were there. But in marvel 3 its a whole different story.
The characters that are considered the most dominant on a consistent basis are who? zero,vergil,mags,doom,spencer,morrigan(if your name is chris g) wolvie and wesker are still up there. but those are the most you see placing top 8 consistently followed by mids,etc.
look at guys like zak bennett. he plays firebrand,dorm,ammy. granted dorm is really good and ammy asst is top tier but believe me he aint winning just because of those 2 characters, firebrand is his best and he can beat the best of them.
is marvel 3 stupid? yes. is the game fun? yes. is it gonna get even more broke down the road? yes. but the game is all about exploiting the team mechanics and making them work for you.
good players skill levels are not measured by the top tier characters they use but instead are measured by their experience and ability to adapt to situations. picking a god tier team and or character/s vs a seasoned veteran at the game is not gonna make you a superstar even if they have whats considered a low tier team. why? because the gap in experience is what makes the difference in that match. Now if you play someone thats inferior and or the same level as you and they use a top tier team or character/s and you still losing then yea they are winning because those characters are stupid but at the same time we can only blame ourselves because we lack that experience to deal with it and beat it.
so far the only thing i see in that game thats just right out stupid and unfair is chris g team and only when he plays. other than that it is what it is. you only gonna be as good as the time you invest to develop as a player.
I left fighting games for awhile and am going from my now scrub status to comptetive again. I am either in Murfreesboro or Pulaski( and hour from huntsville) and looking for games in AE and Persona 4 at the moment. Ill also play some games on psn.
I hear what you’re saying but “places well” isn’t the same as winning. And what do you consider placing well? Top 3? of not then who are they losing to? But I didn’t say it was impossible to win without a top tier character but it becomes such a ridiculous uphill battle the effort placed in winning isn’t equal. I can put all this effort into learning all these elaborate strategies and situational combos with my team, but then a magneto touches one of those characters once anywhere on the screen and boom my character is dead and the next character has a safe incoming cross-up to worry about which
can lead to another effortless death. I’m talking about characters who, on their own, have all tools they need to kill a whole team with no problem. Characters who can poke with the S button. Characters with unblockable setups on their own that lead to touch of death combos. I’m talking about characters that have combos that gain 3 bars of meter leading into a level 3 mashable hyper that they can combo out of just in case the opponent isn’t dead enough yet. I understand your position about building a team to cover for the weakness of each other (that’s what I had on mind when I originally built my team. I even had to make compromises then), but putting that up against teams of characters that don’t have to worry about covering you’re weaknesses because each character covers for his own…
Magneto can zone, rush down, and deal massive damage, and considering how everybody and their mom plays him, the execution barrier isn’t very high. What does he sacrifice? Same question for zero and doom. Wolverine to a lesser extent because he has a glass jaw but you have to hit him first, not an easy task.
No it’s not impossible to win without top tier characters but the fact that you have to put in more effort to be less effective is ridiculous.
you just described every fg out there. any game with low tiers are always gonna have an uphill battle vs the top tiers. what makes it worse is when top players play them lol
So, Jas what you’ve just said is that the game is all about learning how to break the game… I’d say that’s all good in a beat-em-up or rpg. But in a fighting game shouldn’t it be all about learning (not exploiting) the characters and mechanics knowing that the same rules apply to each character despite each one having their own attributes, and styles. Reference the games I mentioned earlier: Tekken is the most balanced 3d fighter around. You can play any team in Tag and it comes down to your knowledge of the characters because they all have to follow the same mechanical rules. KOF has a huge roster and every character has an opportunity to beat every character without having to find an exploit that gives them the upper hand. Guilty Gear is my favorite 2d fighter and K.I.T. is an example of why. Chipp is arguably one of the worst characters in the game and who got first place? Terelle’s Chipp. When was the last time a Hsien-Ko, Phoenix Wright, M.O.D.O.K., or Tron won a tournament without a top tier character on the team?
I don’t think there’s ever been a Marvel game where that wasn’t the case lol…I mean you just gotta take it for what it is at this point. Look at the Apex 2013 finals between Chris and Fchamp. Soufisoufisoufis vs meat shields for Dark Phoenix. Jwong said he’s focusing on landing more infinites. It’s just gonna get more bs from here on out.
Also, I feel a fighting game being balanced isn’t the same thing as that game being good. However, Guilty Gear is one of those rare cases where it’s both.
What i’m saying is I can’t take the game seriously because of that. It’s too dumb and I don’t like the to tier/game-breaking characters so it’s not worth my time and effort when there are better, more consistent games to be played. If you enjoy that kind of thing, go for it. I’ll just play it for fun and to do the occasional combo before catching a random safe cross-up buster into touch of death combo from zero.
Yes I am, I just have not announced a location or dates. I actually do have dates for it, June 21 and 22.
This is the 20th Anniversary of MWC (1993-2013)
As far as games go since I am not limited to the EVO list we are probably going to have 5-6 games over the course of 2 days again, and be done with everything on the same day…I just need to figure out a schedule and actually “announce” it because I was originally under the impression that we were moving but that is probably not the case.
I’m not going to sit here and say Marvel is the perfect game and you said it yourself that finding and utilizing game-breaking stuff has pretty much been the name of the game for Marvel since forever. And it’s easy to write it off as dumb or broken if you don’t understand the game mechanics and I realize you don’t plan on putting the time in to understand it because you feel it probably won’t allow you to play who you want. The difference between Marvel and all the other games you listed that you like is that those games allow everyone the same defensive options. Everyone can burst in GG, everyone has a roll in KoF, everyone has a low parry & roll options in Tekken.
In Marvel, it’s basically a free-for-all and really the only equalizers are X-factor and the assist system. The assist system is the main reason I like Marvel because it can turn a bad matchup on paper into a matchup that is winnable. Basically Marvel’s “neutral” is positioning yourself in a way to take as much area away from your opponent while also putting yourself in a position where your assist can pressure them into mistakes. Your point character obviously has normals and specials and you will use them, but your assists are your footsies. And that’s why the “S” tier is so good is because they typically are more mobile and have the most oppressive and priority on their normals/moves. They typically can control more area, so getting that first hit becomes a much easier ordeal. Assists can help negate some of their dominance but also just having a good neutral as well. Learning to avoid things (wavedashing, plinkdashing, flying, teleporting, etc.) instead of straight blocking things goes a long way. In Tekken, movement is super crucial because whiff punishes are so important and it really is the same in Marvel. You never are at a disadvantage if the opponent whiffs a move and many characters base their game off being able to make you block something and put you into an instant 50/50 in conjunction with an assist call. It can get really frustrating so I completely understand the desire to not get too into the game. I respect your stance and I’m not trying to sell you on the game or anything. Play what you like and put the time into what you enjoy.
Magneto has 750k, Wolverine has 950k so technically Magneto has the glass jaw and Wolvie is about average or slighting above. Zero’s Lightning + buster IS punishable. And it’s funny that most of your post seemed to apply to Magneto because he is considered the most “fair” of the top characters. Still, he still is a very cheap character and I understand the frustration.
Lmfao!!! oh i’m dying of laughter over here! i find it hilarious how james copy/pasted my team even down to the colors and then has the audacity to copy my mags bnb and still drop combos half way. no wonder he avoids me like the plague.