that’s funny… how a character that’s been there for 3 years and nobody plays him… why??? Some says he’s good, and everybody here is complaining, then one man with knowledge says he’ll try to play him in 2012… lol everything is funny…
In all fairness to Flash, the Gouken forums are pretty terrible.
Yeah. Could be the Akuma forums.
That really only work if you are close enough for st.cl.mp, or have enough frame advantage to do a fierce, though. But yes, his damage output is ridiculous.
That one is odd. Cause safe jump actually beat high counter. It need mid or low counter if they hit deep. However, checking your steam you were mostly playing people who doesn’t do good safe jump.
I would also disagree, without a 2 hit EX fireball, you really think he is 2nd best? He is the only projectile where focus through fireball always works. I do notice nobody you fought seem to adjust to his fireball recovery and only focus through fireball once and just block. They always try dash again and hit huge damage.
No argument whatsoever
With this much start up and recovery. You think this is a pro rather then just a standard feature?
-Nothing to say but would you trade his backthrow with a normal one?
-His teching is definitely is weird. Generally people tech with c.lp + lk + mk To make it 4 frame and not have to use c.lp, since it doesn’t link to anything anyways.
-c.mk and c.hp are very strong in normals AA. Very few active frames so need to be timed right, but amazing hit box for certain and c.mk have 4 frame start up. I would not say his EX Tatus is Super reliable though. Since you can’t relies on FADC with it ever when it whiff on croucher. Still, pretty reliable, just not super.
I am glad you find him not boring anymore. That is one I fully agree with!
Thanks for the show, again, by the way! It is encouraging to see some pro level player putting time into this character.
As a rule, i usually:
If you have Meter, Ex Tatsu as your AA.
If you don’t, use cr.hp or cr.mk. (cr.Hp is my goto choice.)
With the exceptions of really high jumpers: Chun, Bison, Blanka… They’re normals of choice usually beat your AA normals outright to full punish, instead do a well placed LK.Tatsu.
I think we should let Flash just do his thing until the end of the week before we compare thoughts/analysis about Gouken.
That said I really really like these kind of discussions.
Flash you should go against some of your high level friends at the end of the week or something for a finale.
I’d love to see that too.
I think that’s the problem however:
Gouken players voted for him to play Gouken.
Whereas the people who benefit most are people learning along with him, learning his strengths and weaknesses.
We should have voted Adon or Akuma or so, so we can see how he learns them and learn they’re weaknesses for our own game.
lol
where does it say anything about losing?..evolved as in I have to rush to much instead of laying back like I did in vanilla…but good try typical srk idiot
I’ve been messing around with Gouken a bit every now and then and have spent more time on these forums than many others and I really gotta say that Gouken-players use the excuse of a bad character more than anybody else. Especially dumb after what Infiltration did.
Infiltration took advantage of shock value…not impressive and doesn’t prove anything. People were [S]hyped[/S] silent and shocked because none of them knew what they were seeing because he’s so rare in tournaments. That is all. Remember it. For example (a lie, but work with me, and no, the scale isn’t relevant):
Once I saw a chihuahua take out a pit bull, do I now assume that chihuahua’s obviously a dominant animal in general?
NO, you must consider the context. In this example, it was the first time the pit bull had seen a chihuahua wearing a sweater, so it didn’t know what to think and the chihuahua took advantage…Singular instances are not proof enough to make generalizations. I don’t like watermelon…
AInt never been one of them chumps bro…If I lose, I lose. Its no ones fault but mine. Ive lost and knew exactly why each time …I like how hes punking everyone and no says shit…this is still thread of the year…flash ur a G lol !!
Ive been called an idiot for not seeing that he cant hang in a tourneys…
I think hes sick s fuck if your into his style. I will try a legit shot at going to locals with him here in norcal per 2012ae, would have done so already but been broke. Ive been able to hang with him in casuals with some of the regs.
Let me see whats up foreal tho… hey flash…what do you seriously think after your Gouken sesh? Who do you see being great with him? Why does no one have confidence in him? What do you think most folks underestimate about this character? How do you see people using him improperly? What did you like about him?
you dont have to answer this last one… How come folks act like they cant hear you talking shit,? lol
He’s pointing out that on the one hand you claim its rediculous that people complain their character is low tier when it’s not, and yet on the other hand you are free to proclaim your character is low tier when she’s clearly not. You seem like a cool dude on crosscounter tv, but you’re acting like a real cock in here. Being good at sf doesnt make you a god amongst men on srk.com, and playing any character for a day vs poor competition doesn’t give you a handle on their true potential.
Does kongo ever actually fail when guessed right AND timed right? Can’t say I know for sure but that shit does seem to have startup… my friend main’s gouken and certain meaties just seem to eat up any wakeup counter attempts. The tatsu thing I’m also not really sure about… my buddy used to have that issue regularly and now it seems VERY rare since he got the timing down much better. It does still happen sometimes but I’m sure his timing is still off once in awhile.
Well said, Mullah.
I was going into why Gouken struggles, but you just canceled that necessity.
ugh why does this have to turn to shit so fast.
Because both sides are having a dick waving contest?
I gotta side with the gouken forum tho, I got to see Desora play a couple hours [he repeats in every conversation he has] and he got totally wasted by the local yang player. Once they got used to the tricks its not such a big thing to take advantage of goukens weaknesses. Even I could take a game off him[although he assuradly took off many more] Not to say he’s bad, but I’d give Gouken the wholly uncompetitive mark that yun/yang/fei left on so many chars foreheads.
lol, gang… Some good shit posted here. lol at the pitbull shocked and chewed up by a chihuahua wearing a sweater
I’m not going to explain his weaknesses in detail, but consider this question: who, aside from Gouken, is susceptible to fully charged, level 3 Focus attacks?
Most characters have Ultras that don’t allow that sort of punishment. Gouken is at the risk simply for using his anti-air, or reversal.
Let that sink in for a minute.
Even a missed *LK *Tatsu will allow a level 2 Focus attack. Even if the initial hit actually connected, there’s still a chance the opponent exits the ride midway, and returns more than twice the damage upon your descent.
That’s just one page from the book covering Gouken’s shortcomings.
But, let’s concentrate on the important thing at hand here: FlashMetroid has picked up Gouken and declared him to be king, and us to be incompetent and whiny, and himself to be a genius without even trying, and his mates have supported him because they either enjoy the odds Gouken gives them, or they have been outplayed by somebody who uses Gouken and don’t understand how our complaints can possibly be fair.
Ok… I think you need to shut your food-hole, you clearly have NO idea what the hell you are talking about.
Main him for a while, manage to consistently win with him against Good Comp. then lets have a conversation.
Until then, you have no merit here bitch.
PS: And your opinion should just be disregarded ENTIRELY trying to use the Infiltration match as the bench-mark… IN FACT… Go sit your ass back down on the bench and go back to just watching the game unfold.
I wish I had a muthafucking BAN HAMMER right now, I’d knock you the fuck out with it.
This is what I honestly don’t get. I’ve mained gouken ever since SF4 came out and I’ve accepted the fact that tatsu has a long recovery. Based on the move itself, it’s expected to have that long of a recovery. Every character is susceptible to a max damage punish if they whiff a reversal, assuming they don’t FADC it. I don’t see the need to reduce the recovery (a lot of people have been requesting this) when it will still result in a punish.
Sure, most of the cast don’t take a level 3 focus attack if they whiff an attack but hitting a fierce or a roundhouse would result in similar damage regardless. A large portion of the cast can deal a decent amount of damage off a jab as well.
I honestly don’t see why the length of the recovery would be a considered a character’s shortcoming when the rest of the cast is susceptible to the same results.