There’s no need to take this anywhere, as I’m done. You started your post by saying the system was trash, and there was no argument for it without actually addressing any of the arguments I just gave. That’s dictation, not discussion. Nice talking to you.
As my final statement on it it’s just not that big of a deal. It got toned down to the point where you can basically only utilize it when you have no health any ways. Compared to other game’s rage systems that’s pretty good. No point in arguing about shit that’s going to be in future fighting games probably forever. Rage may not be ideal for high level competitive play but unfortunately that shit doesn’t matter. Hell I’m hoping anything towards a more SF2 like SFIV comes about in Super. Can’t see Rage going anywhere even if the game on a competitive standpoint could do without it.
Arguing about it isn’t going to change Namco’s opinion on it and there’s worst systems in other games and there are bigger issues gameplay wise with Tekken than Rage any ways.
So to end that I completely agree with you Jimmy. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter and Tekken 6 is about still as close to traditional Tekken as possible in a day and age where pretty much all fighting game series have never been like they used to.
I suppose you missed my message in which I mentioned that without Rage, someone who got momentum early on can relax and play like a mindless idiot and still win because of the difference in health.
Rage just keeps you on your toes, if you don’t want to be rage death’d, set up a juggle from before Rage mode that will KO, problem solved.
(claps his hands) well damn, i guess i miss that fine point that i read earlier. it makes so much sense now, because without rage, i would just mash buttons if i had the lead, regardless if bruce can still drag me to the wall to combo me for a few slivers shy of 50 percent of my health. so since he cant do it for 80 percent now, i can run up and mash with my health lead. you must be pretty good at this game. i never thought all my paragraphs would be crushed by someone telling me rage is good because it keeps you on your toes. lol.
word up devil, im done. i ranted enough. back to tiers 
Assuming that’s not sarcasm, shit happens.
I’m not good, at all, I spend way too much time on Mindgame theory and playing to win Theory talk that it cuts into my playtime and I fall for dash traps all the time :looney:
The only thing I’m good at in actual play is abusing frame advantage, constantly interrupting the opponent when they think they’re safe to pull out a stupidly slow move.
That’s what I don’t get. Koreans tekken players are recoginized as the best in the world and they play at +1, but since the Japanese don’t we keep it at default??
I don’t want to say the U.S. tends to follow Japan’s rules like sheep, but what explanation would their be for not doing something that is proven to make the game more competitive? When you can start punishing standing launchers with other launchers and not this jab jab shit(fucking Lili), then yeah I’ll be all for 100%, but until then…why the hell not?
^ the only thing people really say, and i just read a rehash off this from zaibatsu, that i literally heard almost 4 years ago, and its that giving a little health bump will widen the tiers because of those more dependent on poking rather then juggling, which is stupid as fuck, because especially in br, everybody got some shit they can do off bound. even lei has much more creative ways to juggle then EVER before, but he is a mind fuck character, not a do a simple dial up and take you to the wall type character. either way, its not a justifiable argument against not doing +1.
sometimes i wonder about the american scene, and its slow mindset with shit. we’re more about following and ego, then playing, and when anything new is asked to be introduced into our system, we react like angry zombies, “rrrrrrrr, no change. folloooow leaders. grrrrrr”. adding plus one is not gonna all of a sudden make feng less of a threat, or lei less of a threat, especially considering korea has been bumping their shit up for over half a decade now to my knowledge, and it has in no way affected their gaming abilities, or chased away certain players from sticking with their mains. people were still maining low and mid tier characters in tekken 5. if anything it gave them more of a fighting chance because they didnt get raped in two combos. but im pretty much done with arguing for the remainder of my gaming career. i have seen the arguments now for all kinds of games forever, and it hasnt helped the newer versions that have been made, and in the case of tekken, it falls on the deaf ears of zombies who most in my eyes dont play competitive, or are too afraid to set their own standard that makes more competitive sense. its frustrating, and drains my energy. if especially in a game like br, people are still using arguments 6 years old, im done saying what i can. maybe if wong makes a video telling everyone the same shit other good and top players have been saying, people will take notice and follow a new lead.
if people think plus 1 is gonna significantly change tiers, and draw out matches, then let them think that. if you think since its a default tourney standard for sbo, it should be for us, then go ahead and keep following players you will never catch, and i say that because if you main lei, and you think your chances of winning are lost because we play on +1 now, then you were NEVER gonna be that good in the first place. NEVER. i cant emphasize never enough. that mindset already shows you as a follower, and a scrub. i bet if japan banned roll canceling in cvs2, we would have too. lol. the american scene needs to take up on this good lead in my opinion. it can do nothing more then to help out your game.
but keep playing default health thinking your good because you got a couple combos off and won, or a combo and a few mixups, while all your fundamentals stay trashy.
the u.s. scene for almost every game is a fucking joke, the only exception is marvel… and i still dont understand that.
the problem is there are couple of dedicated players and then 99% sheeple scrubs who only know combos or throw 40 srks/TUs and cant play outside of that. i dont think this is going to get any better any time soon sadly.
ive been around the local scene in chitown for a long time through a shitload of different games and i can tell you right now that this isnt changing.
Tiers?? Thats a dumb as fuck argument to not change. You know what will happen when we switch to +1? People would have to launch 3 times instead of 2, and people would have to poke maybe 2-4 extra times in the match. And maybe it’s just me, but I’d much rather know I can consistently live after 2 hopkicks then the one mistake fest that it is now.
I don’t know man, maybe Americans just like taking the easy way out with their high damage juggles and their wall rape and their FADC Ultras and their top tiers and their no progression and call it balanced. But the real players know whats up, and they are probably tired of trying to educate the masses about shit just like you are. I don’t blame you at all.
The reason why we’re the best at Marvel is because when that game came out, the Asians were like “This game is fucking broken” and stopped playing it.
kinda, but a lot of the shit we evolved actually came from the japanese players to my knowledge. they paved the way, for the most part quit, but i dont know the whole story behind that, and we just kept playing. but even still to this day, joo is about to put out the most creative marvel video that has been years in the making. so its like, even if theyre not the best in the game, japanese players are always still showing something about them thats like, well damn. lol. theyre honestly needs to be like a korean and japanese player appreciation thread. we can have all the ego we want, but they paved the way for a ton of shit. its against srk rules to say good shit asians, but besides technical shit they put us on to, they even kept the comp going. could you imagine if fighting games were just another thing for korean and japanese players. lol. shit would have ended with sf3 second impact or earlier.
It’s not quite a one mistake fest but I like the fact that you basically have to play perfect if you want to win consistently. I’ll play plus 1, as well. It’s all Tekken, which is a good thing.
To everyone in the thread, at large: As far as rage goes, or any other of the new mechanics, I don’t really love or hate it. I think of it as a challenge to overcome, as a player, when I’m facing a raged Bob or Law with a low-health Alisa (my main) and my back is to the wall. Will I win all of them? No. Will I win more than most others in the same situation? Absolutely. That’s what you work toward in every fighting game ever made, to whatever degree of perfection you strive for. I play Tekken 6 BR because I think it’s fun. Simple as that. Why obsess over the new mechanics and how much you hate them when you could just accept the challenge, or move on to playing something you actually like? If DR is your thing, play DR. Same with the TTT guys. Do what you want, and fuck everyone else. It’s what I do. Right now, I like BR. Tomorrow, who knows?
I argue for this game because it’s not like were talking about SF: The Movie. Everyone can agree that this is a polished, balanced title that’s worth a look whether you end up playing it seriously or not. Why waste time hating on/slurping the games flaws and weaknesses. You could write a book on all the problems with Marvel, but who gives a fuck? It’s fun.
So, I guess to play, or not to play? That is the question.
To further explain the tier debate, here is an example.
On normal settings, Law kills you with 2-3 launches~combos. Zafina also kills you with 2-3 launches~combos.
On +1 life settings, Law still kills you with 2-3 launches~combos. Zafina kills you with 4-5.
The difference here is that Laws damage normally does 40-60% of your life, whereas zafina does 30-40%. So Zafina must take more risk than the law player in order to win and get those essential launches/pokes. This is why there is an argument for not playing on heightened life. The game is balanced because of the fact that juggle/wall damage can get so ridiculously high that anyone can take a round with 2-3 launchers.
Not to say that this sort of balance is what I enjoy (I find losing to 2 bad guesses to be ludicrous) but you cannot argue that it isn’t more balanced. Whether or not that enhances or takes away from the game is up to you. IMO it makes it more of a party/casual game, in that anyone can win (skill is degraded imo).
i havent played plus 1 enough to throw my hat in the ring here. The times i have played i have noticed what JeremyH is talking about though. With Jin it was taking way too many launches to get a kill and steve was still ending it in just a few CH launches. i guess i can see why some people would say it would widen the tier lists, not that it matters but tekken 6 br is one of the most balanced games i can think of on default settings.
…that makes sense. It’s still stupid as all hell, but I can see the point.
But it makes perfect sense.
Also throw in the fact that some characters have unsafe launchers, which is a risk from the start…where as characters like Nina…Alisa//etc etc have safe B&B launches.
Its really shitty. They could have AT LEAST gave her a safe fucking launcher.
no offense, but what you said makes no sense. plus 1 settings affects both characters. if law kills you with 2-3 juggles on default,and so does zafina, on plus 1, its gonna take the same amount of combos to do the death. that doesnt change.
the thing is, when it comes to plus health debates, the combo shit is always immediately brought up by us all, but obviously its deeper then that. getting more time to play in a match gives you more time to flesh out your opponent more also, and is added pressure. the real argument about plus health settings is beyond combo shit. every character in the game now has very damaging combos on the right launcher, or even generic launchers that every character has, and dont give them a wall. its about well, this character has all this good shit, but this character doesnt have that, so the character that has more good shit, is still more likely to win even on plus 1 settings, because of the overall effectiveness of said character, so fuck it, keep it on default.
but in reality, that argument just doesnt show itself to be so powerful. when you play on plus 1, the first thing you realize is this is a longer, but better match, and you dont feel your getting robbed as much off a couple mistakes. contrary to the launch, rush down fest we see in american play, tekken is mostly pokes and maybe one juggle per character, per round. there is a reason korean tekken players have been playing plus 1 settings for a while, and their tier list are not drastically different then other tier list. i would think they wouldnt be playing plus health settings if they noticed how shitty it made other characters. i think they realized that, yes, this character is easier to rob you with, but if your skilled, you can still win with lei, kuma, ect…, and especially in br, you can really go to town with anyone. they will have a few characters in tier rankings that we think in america are lower or higher, and to be honest, most of those peoples opinion arent worth a shit, because there are people within the american tekken community considered to be top players, and still to this day dont even know basics about what to do against other characters. where as though scenes like in korea and japan have players that have played thousands of matches against top players of damn near every character, so they really know whats poppin when it comes to tiers.
like, really, if you been playing tekken like that, and you a top player, between 5.0 and now, you should still know a characters overall basic game plan. if you get hit by new shit, or killed by new characters, thats understandable, but there are top players having all these opinions in the world, and still dont know shit about a jack matchup, roger matchup, nina matchup, ect… so unfortunately, in some cases, i take american tekken players opinions with a grain of salt, and i tend to pay attention to the player bases that i know for a fact know what theyre talking about, and have put this into practice. not to sure why japan never adapted to the korean way to be honest. i know we’re hard headed here in general. lol.
so overall, from watching korean tekken since 5.0 up until now, and experiencing the vast difference in fun and play when playing 5.0 with plus 2 on health, i can say that it does not drastically change the game at all. simply put, it makes the game better in my opinion. i also again find it hard to believe the best tekken players in the world are doing it wrong with plus health settings.
plus 1 easily gives you better matches, and more character and player experience. its not like you cant get character and player experience from default settings. in my opinion, you just get more out of it because both people have to work more to win. its easy to play at a certain level, and be like, either setting, you still die off a couple combos, so fuck it, why go through the hassle, but at higher levels of play, nobody is getting all that random free shit all the time like you will see in american tekken, because asian players generally play a much more precise way and have excellent reactions. again, im not dissing american tekken, but you can watch tekken nationals and gain a certain opinion of the game, and roll with it, but honestly if you watch some of the better matchups out there on youtube of the same character, you can see that bullshit getting punished, and that at real higher levels, that shit dont float like that very often.
if anything, with the rush down style of play american tekken is, except maybe a few players, you would think we would prefer plus settings. lol
u are a fucking idiot…
ok ive been dicking around with plus 1 settings for a couple days now in casuals… i still have mixed feelings about it but i definitley am starting to agree with jimmy here. I have noticed it fleshes out the game significantly more… im noticing alot more stuff about my character while playing it since im not just getting a launch and wall carry and then ending the round.
Jimmy i saw ure post on TZ about this whole plus 1 thing… wtf is with the mods over their?
it took some selling, and i am by no means a top american tekken player but im pretty much sold on plus 1. now i just need to adjust to playing on that god damn square gate for tekken and i’ll be ok.
Have you even played Tekken 6 before? You understand all this nonsense your talking about character flaws only applies in certain situations. Steve is easily the best character in the game right next to Law. This has been common knowledge since the game first came out over a year ago. I didnt bother reading all that junk you wrote trying to justify why everyones list is wrong but yours. I seriously think you need to get out and play more because you obviously havent faught any really good players if you think that Steve, and Bob arent high tier.