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[MURPHAGATOR]

1. The medic needed the survivability from the blutsauger before valve changed the self-heal rates for medic. Theres a reason no medic ever ran needlegun before that patch.

The meidic was always a very survivable class once you realized its specifically designed for support while staying behind cover, and that BY DESIGN his weapons are not particularly powerful and BY DESIGN he didn’t have a huge sum of health in order to encourage you to play the role the class was built for. Seriously, theres a post about it somewhere on the TF2 blog, early on, the needlegun was a GOOD weapon, but because of that there was really very little reason to play medic as a medic. Now, does this mean a scout could run behind your lines and fuck you up? Yup, but thats why its a team dynamics based game. If any class needed a survivability buff, it was pyro, since doesn’t even really have the damage output IN HIS IDEAL RANGE as soldier/demo, but when he got that it was just a shitstorm.

2. The kritzkrieg is far from useless, in a way it is one of the only true sidegrades in the game, it is a full trade-off. One many teams utilize on occasion.

When it was first released, the kritzkrieg didn’t really charge very much faster at all, while it still had its uses on occasion, the regular ubergun at medic patch release was almost entirely better. Nowadays, sure, kritz has a lot of uses thanks to its fast ubercharge rate.

3. I never said the FaN was OP, the FaN is a bad sidegrade however because it is a.) allaround worse, and b.) almost requires the other team to have one scout switch to FaN as well. That may be less so a fact in higher level of play, but moreso in medium- and low-skill regions. It is just bad.

I wasn’t accusing you specifically of having said the FaN was OP, but its something a lot of people complain about even though its basically completely backwards.

4. The direct hit oneshots half of the cast and isn’t reliable enough (for spam OR medic-protection), it is BAD. TDH was supposed to be a weapon for skilled soldiers, rewarding airshots- the way it plays out it’s even noob-friendlier than the normal rocketlauncher with faster rocketspeed (my grandmother could get airshots with it), less effective damage-falloff, minicrits, and higher overall damage.

I personally haven’t seen this play out this way, but I haven’t really played much since the soldier update anyways, I’m just going off the initial impressions the people I generally play with gave me, most of whom are quite good.

Point is, all of these affect the game negatively or not at all, that is why most people don’t want to see them in comp, not because they are overly powerful.

The fact is, no unlocks, NONE of them, have had a real, lasting impact on the way a class plays out in its role or how overall powerful the class is. I can see not wanting them in comp for various reasons, but I fail to see the logic in getting rid of all of them EXCEPT the medic weapons, the ones which made the biggest (although admittedly still small) impact on what, quite frankly, was already one of the most powerful classes.

No reason to use bersaw over the normal bonesaw? You do know that the first hit isn’t affected by hitspeed?

This is the opposite of what I said. I said there was no reason to use the bonesaw over the ubersaw.

Some real theorycrafting going on in here. Play the fucking game.

Some real not reading what I actually wrote in here. Please don’t accuse me of things I didn’t say.

[JAMMAR]

Point is, all of these affect the game negatively or not at all, that is why most people don’t want to see them in comp, not because they are overly powerful.

If that is true, why do leagues allow almost all the weapons? If “most” of the competitive community thought this way, they should be able to simply ban them, or are you telling me I’m behind the times now?

For people talking about DH and RL, steam forum-goers and sometimes pubbers in-game complain about the DH all because of the one-hit kill. The problem is they only think about what happens to them, and not how much it sucks when a soldier completely misses. It’s also funny when engies and snipers complain, when neither should be near enemy soldiers. Skill in movement is a factor too. They say it’s too easy to hit someone with the thing when they don’t know how to move in a more unpredictable way. AFAIK in competitive play, no high level soldier has used DH an entire match (or maybe not even two full rounds), it’s risky. At high levels you need to make your shots count. That’s where RL splash comes in. RL splash damage isn’t bad and you have stuff like being able to damage multiple people (which is safe to say that the DH does rarely).

[Hara]

As an Engineer, I don’t care about OHKOs. I just don’t want my buildings to be destroyed so quickly. It was bad enough dealing with the smart engineers that could use the splash damage to their advantage. Nowadays, all a soldier needs to do it run head-on into a lvl. 3 and down it in two shots without dying.

[Magnetro]

Don’t forget about the Home Wrecker, that’s a really pragmatic weapon with a conceptually ingenious design

But seriously, it’s so retarded. Anyone can push you away; which includes the Sentry’s knockback – which gives the ENgineer time to repair it.

[Hara]

Don’t forget about the Home Wrecker, that’s a really pragmatic weapon with a conceptually ingenious design

But seriously, it’s so retarded. Anyone can push you away; which includes the Sentry’s knockback – which gives the ENgineer time to repair it.

Bonk and The Homewrecker would be much better if they made you immune to knockback.

[Zazzarius]

holy shit they increased item drop rates!

EVERYONE GETS ITEMS!
http://www.teamfortress.com/

[Geese_Pants]

Really…watch as I get screwed once again.

[Geese_Pants]

Wow…new update:

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:

Team Fortress 2
Added new community map cp_freight
Added missing physics models for several items
Added jiggle bones to the Sam & Max items, and The Buff Banner
Added Crit-a-Cola

Dedicated Server
Linux optimizations.
Fixed Linux servers not relisting correctly after a master server restart
Fixed a case where servers could have “ghost” players consuming player slots

Engine
Marked the “snd_show” convar as a cheat

Gameplay Changes

Pyro changes
Flamethrower direct damage reduced 20%.
Burn duration reduced (10 -> 6 seconds).
Airblast re-fire delay reduced by 25%.
Airblast ammo usage reduced by 20%.
All reflected rockets/grenades/arrows now mini-crit.
Airblasting enemies into environmental deaths now awards the death credit to the Pyro.

Heavy changes
Minigun spin-up/down time reduced by 25%
Minigun firing movement speed increased to just under half-normal (from 80 to 110).
Throwing a sandvich to a teammate now earns a full bonus point (was half a point).

Bonk! changes
Post-use movement penalty removed.
Now has a re-use cooldown time, like The Sandman.

The Chargin’ Target changes
Direct charge hit now does 50 damage + 10 per head (up to 5 heads).
Capped the turn rate from +left and +right while charging.

The Huntsman changes
Removed restriction that arrows need to be aimed before they can be lit by a Pyro.
Bow can now be lowered without losing the lit arrow.
Changed bow so you can start charging it while you’re jumping, but you can’t fire until you’re on the ground.
Fixed bug where flame effect would get stuck on if you change weapons with a lit arrow.

Backpack changes
Moved Crafting button out to the root class/backpack selection panel.
Dragging and dropping items in your backpack now makes appropriate sounds.

Bot changes
Bots don’t retreat to gather health as readily if they are in combat.
Bots no longer retreat when moving to block a point capture.
Bots should now equip an appropriate combat weapon and fight while moving to collect health.
Bots who are roaming the map and hunting now chase down their victims, following them around corners.
Bots That fire projectiles (ie: rockets/grenades/etc) don’t hold down their fire button for a minimum time. This was causing Soldier bots to fire rockets into nearby walls as they strafed, killing themselves.
Soldiers bots now switch to their shotgun after firing all four rockets when engaging an enemy.
Added a few more bot names from community suggestions.
Fixed a behavior loop with Engineer metal gathering.

The Sandman change
Added a slight speed reduction to stunned players.

Community requests
Added ConVars log_verbose_enable and log_verbose_interval to report player positions in the server log at regular intervals
log_verbose_enable default: 0
log_verbose_interval default: 3 secs
"Last-weapon" initialization on respawn now sets itself to be the melee weapon if you don??t have a selectable secondary weapon (like The Razorback).

Bug Fixes
Fixed an case where The Gunboats didn??t apply their damage reduction properly.
The amount count in the HUD now flashes red when you??re low on ammo.
Extinguishing a burning teammate now earns a full bonus point (was half a point).
Fixed a permanent overheal exploit involving dispensers.
Fixed a bug in spectator mode where the user aborted out of freezecam, setup a spec mode (like IN_EYE), and would then have the setting stomped after the freezecam timer expired.
Fixed bug with disguised spy sometimes seeing his own name in the disguise status HUD.
Fixed a client crash that could result from players with arrows embedded in them.
Fixed items that can be worn by any class having the wrong model when worn by a disguised Spy.
Added missing map prefixes to server browser game types.
Killing yourself with your own sentry no longer increments the sentry’s kill counter.
Fixed dropped hats sometimes having the wrong team color.
Fixed crit-boosted players not getting critical hits if their weapon has custom no-crit behavior.
Fixed the achievement dialog taking a long time to pop up, and completed achievements now sort to the bottom of the list.
Fixed Spies disguised as Medics hearing the autocaller sound.

[spudlyff8fan]

Pyro changes
Flamethrower direct damage reduced 20%.
Burn duration reduced (10 -> 6 seconds).

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[Geese_Pants]

Yeah I’m not happy about the damage nerf…but the buff to compression blast is aight.
Reflacted stuff get minicritted.

[just_prime]

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I would just like to say that my reaction was the exact opposite of the one above.

[BIGWORM]

Maybe that nerf will calm down some of the W+M1 goings on with the Pyro.

[spudlyff8fan]

Maybe that nerf will calm down some of the W+M1 goings on with the Pyro.

Soldier is the only class left that doesn’t have anything mapped to M2, btw.

[Anakron]

Soldier is the only class left that doesn’t have anything mapped to M2, btw.

But that is A-OK because he can rocket jump.

[spudlyff8fan]

But that is A-OK because he can rocket jump.

W+M1+Spacebar.

[Galactic]

Pyro nerf ftw. The airblast mini-critting everything further entices noobs to drop the shitty ass Backburner, which is a good thing.

That is… unless this change only effects the flamethrower and not the backburner… which would be bad.

^_-;

[Gasp]

air puffffffffffffffffffffffffff

wheres the fucking huntsman hitbox fix

[Hara]

The burn duration reduction and damage nerf really has me thinking of switching from FT/FG/AT to BB/SG/FA.

The Flare Gun is pretty worthless now, and although I do burn through Airblasts, most of my kills are still direct, so “eh”.

[Magnetro]

btw, if anyone wants to craft crit-a-cola do:

1 Scout Token (4 scout items)

1 2nd Slot Token (4 2nd slot items)

1 Scrap Metal (3 of the same weapons & other ways, i forgot them)

You will have a 1 in 2 chance of getting crit-a-cola (which is funnnn). Hopefully you wont get another bonk.

Edit, in case im wrong: http://www.tf2items.com/crafting/blueprints.php

And yess for airblast buffs.

[Geese_Pants]

Another TF2 update…

Fixed several issues with the Source SDK
Added new items to commemorate our 119th (or so) update
Scout’s “Retire the Runner” achievement updated to be
"Kill a Scout while they are under the effect of Crit-a-Cola."
Added a 20% damage bonus to The Backburner.
Fixed the Flare Gun’s afterburn duration being lowered by the Flamethrower’s duration reduction.
Fixed the teleporter exit using the wrong particle effect.
Fixed HUD damage indicators not appearing.
Fixed Teleporters not reverting to level 1 when their other side is destroyed.
Fixed receiving damage not causing view-kicks on players.
Fixed Engineers & Spies being able to circumvent build restrictions.
Fixed Server Browser not saving filter settings properly.
Fixed a client crash in the targetID on clients running custom HUDs

http://www.teamfortress.com/119/

Metals son…