That should teach you a lesson!! j/k 
(that cl st HK sucks!) LOL .
Maybe what they meant in the blog is that they changed the hitbox and not the frame advantage?
I think Ken actually ducks when he lands from that Ultra, so yeah, it would whiff. Donāt ever use that against Guileā¦all FKās end with him crouching.
So I hear Claw can punish Blanka balls with a c.hk. That means we can probably punish with ex spire or possibly even ultra 2. 
Dash U1!
OK brothersā¦Iām off to Super Arcade to test our new Hawk outā¦
good thing for living in Socal!!!
Will let you guys know whatās up as soon as I can.
I am looking forward to a full write upā¦confirmation from a dedicated Hawker is already overdue. Really interested to hear how changes are effective (or not) and for any changes not mentioned. Would also like a few points on who seems to come out well from the changes in general - first impressions of course.
Tonight would be good:)
Awesomeā¦ canāt wait man! No seriously, hurry the F up! =)
Daigoās impressions: āThen there?s T.Hawk and Hakan? If you ask me, it?s basically hopeless for them (laughs). T. Hawk is definitely an annoying opponent, but I think that?s about it. He?s gotten buffed, but that doesn?t mean much considering how weak he was to begin with.ā
Yeah, a couple things that would be worth testing right away:
- Does cs.MP still whiff on half the cast if they are in hitstun from jumping Heavy atacks?
- How good the Ultra 2 buffs are, is it 1-frame like Genās Crane Super/Ultra 1? Or will the hitbox buff catch people at lower heights at least?
- LP Spireās hitbox/meter-gain, much better or hardly noticeable?
Just read this myself. I think his opinion carries some weight without question, but hereās hoping for a J Wong vs Adon moment in some tournament along the way. I personally donāt think both can be discounted just yet - especially Hakan who got buffed through the roof.
I think Hawk might be a worse match for Yun and Yang than Diago thinks - health advantage and damage output will help balance it somewhat
In other parts of that interview, he seems really concerned by Gief - lariat is going to really hurt those new boys.
Iām typing on a blackberry in an area that has bad reception so I canāt write much. The competition is tough here and Iām having a bad playing day so Iām afraid I canāt give the best input games are $1.00 and thereās no practicing.
Spire meter gain is not as great as I had hoped. I know thatās subjective but if I had to guess on how much metetr the old spire gained I would say it was 3 and the new is 5 (out of 100). It does add up over the round of course but I was hoping to see a big chunk of blue bar.
LP spire ā¦ The hitbox change is noticeable , itās effectiveness is I canāt say, will need more time. The startup and invinc are definitely NOT improved.
U2 is 100% (*edit- 75% better) better. Starts up faster and the hitbox goes past his frame in the air.
St roundhouse is much harder to counter but I almost want to say the damage is nerfedā¦Iā. Not sure though
St far FP hits crouching opponents Cody in this case.(*EDIT - Does NOT hit cr opponents)
I havenāt ben able to test close HK (isnāt that a surprise)
Yun seems to give Hawk trouble
EX dive is just like the old EX same recovery (*maybe not, keep reading) and speed
Ill test cancels next
Thanks for the input so far. On Cody s.hp whiffed so maybe a hitbox improvement. I like the sound of far hk and lp spire hitbox being noticeable. The U2 vastly improved bit is also nice. Any joy on close mp, cross up pushback, throw ranges/damage? EX Dive good or no good - you seem a bit meh about it?
Which characters seem better and which seem worse overall?
Sorry guys far st FP isnāt any different my mistake. Iām not sure what āgrows strong determinationā was about in those rumor change list. Maybe itās close fp? I havenāt tested
I cnn say the Dhalsim matchup still sucks big time (at least against Towner)
Yun/yang palm is realllly good. Its active frames are ridiculous.
Ultradavid just tweeted this from super arcade. Iāll admit it sounds pretty nice
Hawk: ex dive way faster, puts him at old blanka ball distance or more so safe on lots of chars. U2 def faster, recovers faster too
Hope ultradavid and lvangundy can write up some more impressions.
Shortly aftter i made those posts we left Super arcade (btw i dont like their sticks and their monitors are beyond laggy, like wow) and it was getting packed anyway, sorry no more details yet. However wonder chef recorded a ton of video so I should have some footage of me playing horribly but at least you might see our new Hawk.
I should have some more time with him either tomorrow or Sunday.
Iām not sure what Ultradavid is saying about ex dive being fast(er) itās the same speed as when you do a canceled ex dive now.
I need to make a list of stuff to check for. Can you guys help me a bit besides what you wrote? Im tired and spacey been up for almost 24 hoursā¦
Would kill someone just to have a nice arcade here in North Carolina ;o
Lvangundy, if you can see if they change any of his SPD range? Is super range better? Ultra?
I think Ultradavid is comparing it to normal dive. Here is a shopping list for you.
Thrust Peak - any changes?
Please confirm if EX dive has safer bounceback on block like UāDavid said?
Try 3 x c.lp into lp spd for extra range?
It may mean you get offed but try all the Tomahawks as AA to see if any invincibility has been added or removed (please no).
c.hp as an AA - still a trade machine or more priority?
Close mp on crouching opponents changed on small hitboxes?
Cross up pushback any different?
Instant jump back lp xx ex dive - does it cancel more easily and is it an instant overhead?
Does c.lp, slp, s.lp, slk xx lp spire now reach opponents on block because of changed hitbox?
Iām pretty certain they left his lp spd was range alone. if they buffed it, I think it would have been mentioned, because thatās somewhat major. the development blog also stated that he recieved no nerfs, so I doubt they removed any HP/EX DP invincibility.
man, I wish they would have done something with his DP. how nice would it be to have a real DP without bar on wake up?
also, did anyone notice they are apparently trying to make T.hawk more attractive as a grappler superficially, by destroying Geifās EXGH? the move used to be like EXCS, only better, but now it doesnāt knockdown, giving EXCS (and thus T.hawk) an advantage over gief where he previously didnāt have one.
Some new T. Hawk AE videos uploaded Wonder_Chef. (For more than just T. Hawk, see all of his videos here. -> Shoryuken - User: Wonder_Chef)
Hawk gets laid out in this one. Didnāt really see anything new.
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This next one shows that st.hp will connect on a crouching Cody, not sure if it would before but I know it didnāt on some characters. It also shows the new EX Dive getting beaten cleanly by Codyā Ruffian Kick. 
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Next one shows Ultra 2 at about 35 seconds in. Iām not sure if the non-buffed Ultra 2 would have caught that or not, it looked borderline. And right after that it shows the bounce back from a blocked EX Dive.
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