So what matches do you all think are in Oni’s favor? I think Abel, Balrog, Blanka, Chun, Cody, Dan, Dee Jay, Dudley, Fuerte, E.Ryu, Gouken, Guile, Guy, Hakan, Ibuki, Juri, Rose and Hawk. The only characters I feel have an advantage are Akuma, Sim, Fei, Ken and Yun. The rest I feel are rather Even, The key to these match ups that are good? Getting in (which isn’t that hard considering our tools) getting a knock down and then good wake up pressure. Once you find an effective way to mix someone up, these matches feel good. The rest are pretty even. You just need to know what to expect and when against each character. Oni has great pokes (no EQ, I don’t often see myself getting counter poked, just don’t throw f.hp out randomly, time it) and you’ll be fine. The only normals that Oni has with awful hurtboxes are his air normals.
Anyways, what’re you opinions on these? I’ll be glad to tell ya’ll why more specifically if you want. :3
It’s hard to say right now. I like the Guile matchup because I can get the life lead and turtle with full screen mp.electric fbs and punish his advancement.
ermm, Juri is 6 / 4 imo you should try a good Juri that are able to zone effectively maybe Weirdo Neo standard players. Yang is definitely atleast 6 / 4 Yang’s favor not much good ones because is a more technical base character compared to Yun.
I am not sure about Chun and Blanka is feels quite stressful fighting them and I’ll give Dee Jay and Ibuki 5.5 / 4.5 Oni at a slight disadvantage. I’ve fought super strong Dee Jay’s before Imo he is underrated , uncommon and a lot better than Guile. The rest you’ve mentioned might be 5 / 5 but too early too tell especially Hawk . Rose , Blanka , and Chun. I agree with what you’ve mention on bad match-up.
Balrog is either bad or even for Oni, more likely even. Chun, Ibuki and Cody are even. Hawk is difficult for me to say right now but I’d imagine that one is probably slight Oni favour just because he has a DP and a fireball. I think pretty much all of Oni’s matchups are even save for Akuma, Fei, Yun and Ken which are definitely bad to varying degrees. Akuma for example is a 7-3 whilst Yun is like 6-4.
Characters that force Oni to try and use his fireballs are generally at least tricky matchups.
Are these Match Up ratios based off of who you fought or are we really sitting down and doing work for these ratios…because i think oni beats chun cleanly
I feel Blanka may be in that disadvantage category. What is it about that match up you feel Oni has favor? I haven’t faced many, but I’ve been left with the impression Blanka doesn’t really have too much reason to respect Oni outside of his damage potential. One particularly nasty thing I feel, is that Blanka with UC2 leaves you pretty much screwed, nothing Oni has can avoid the ground long enough or shut down a full screen activated Blanka. Or at least anything I’ve managed to make work.
I’m not really sure about Chun Li. Mainly due to her possessing strong normals that can challenge and give Oni trouble at a variety of range and angles, keeping him out.
I personally think Ken might be in the even category. I don’t feel like Ken has anything that really can give Oni a hard time. Other than Air Tatsu on wake up, which you should either be trying to block anyway, or (Auto-Correct) Goshoryuken if you feel you can squeeze it out.
Other than those characters I either generally agree with you, or just not confident enough to comment on the match up.
Ken is bad for Oni simply because he has so many ambiguous crossup setups and kara throw setups. Oni’s defence against these kinds of things is very poor as it keeps Ken out of range of your DP CONSTANTLY and frame traps most of your attempts at trying to keep him out with buttons. If he manages to get inside once, you’re probably going to get stunned very quickly.
Ken is easily up there as one of Oni’s worst matchups.
Very True, couldn’t agree more , against Ken, Oni’s fireball at jump range start-up and recovery is a awful, so no fireball war and prepared to get outfootsied or kara thrown. Only way I feel again’st Ken is to constantly pressure him at your st lk range or outside of his step kick. Sweep + Kara throw = vortex from ken.
Having fought one of the best Ken’s on the east coast, and getting trashed, I have to say that match up sucks for me at least.
Hawk I have a problem with because I suck, but I can tell you right now, if you can react to every jump perfectly, you’ll be find. S.FP BEATS condor and EX condor dive clean, no trade.
I also fight one of the best Juri’s on the east coast weekly and it’s generally pretty even between us. Juri doesn’t have an easy time against Oni really, it’s all about getting the life lead generally, S.FP wins against dive kicks, so does your DP if you react properly, or you can just neutral jump. Her lack of a good reversal hurts her. Same with Rog really, you neeeeeed to keep him locked down on wake up, or else he is hard to get in on, but if you can get in there you’re fine. That match I’d say is barely in Oni’s favor.
With Blanka he has the same problem half the cast does, if Blanka gets a good life lead he wins, but otherwise Blanka is pretty easy. He has an awful wake up, and f.fp for a punish for Blanka Balls is pretty good.Same with Chun, if you get in on her, she’s done, on wake up she can’t do anything since stomp beats ex SBK, and you can out zone her from full screen.
Good hawks don’t aim for dive out of nowhere , they will do cross-up dive on Oki or just countering your FB. perfectly spaced condor spire to get in beats almost all of Oni’s footsies because Oni is fat lol I mean he has a huge hurtbox, the only way to avoid that is space him out of his cr mk area which isn’t easy and predict when he is going do spire because if you so happen to stick a limb out during spire you will get stuffed. You also need to be aware of his forward dash into typhoon / spire shenanigans at times.
Man…imo…if you are losing that badly against Ken…most likely you lose the same with any shoto…and if you can’t escape his Kara-throw…that has nothing to do with Oni…thats you…and if you are still throwing fireballs mid screen…thats you…Oni is the type of character that should step up your reactions and defense up…if that isn’t happening I dont know what to tell ya
You know how fat Oni’s hitboxes are, right? You know how good Ken’s hurtboxes are, right? You know how much safer and easier Ken’s inside game is to get started, right? You know how much safer his mixups are, right? You know Oni has lower than average health and stun, right? You know that Ken causes above average damage and stun, right?
Do the math. It’s a bad matchup. This is not at all comparable to other shoto matchups. A good Ken will literally just get on you and stay on you until you are dead. In this matchup, you are basically trying to do what Ken is trying to do, but with very poor imitations of his moveset, and with less health and stun.
He has a lot of other bad matchups (Viper, Ibuki, and more) but those are the worst of the worst in my experience.
Anyway, yeah, Ken does everything we want to do but with far better moves that are faster with better hitboxes and smaller hurtboxes… and more health… and more stun… and better fireballs… and his kara throw… etc. etc. etc.
I also think Oni has issues with T Hawk because our fireballs are so laggy that we can’t effectively keep him out like most fireball characters can, so it makes Condor Dive seem like an actual legit move :\
Eh, I don’t like the way he feels / how you have to use his moves / some of their properties. Ken is similar in strategy to Oni but totally different in application, if you know what I mean.
I’d play Akuma or Ryu before I ever played Ken (and I do play them a little).
I tested super a while back, I would imagine it’s similar for F+HP, but I haven’t tested that specifically.
Honestly I can’t think of a single matchup off of the top of my head that I feel Oni is advantaged in. He’s even at best pretty much, and has quite a few disadvantaged matchups.
