Why does it have to be sony? And again, I’m not trying to be mean, but this thread is about compiling a database of displays and their test results, not for random requests or “hey, is this TV/monitor good?” This happened in the previous thread, and it ended up filled with junk and the same questions being asked over and over. Also, there were some Sony TVs recommended 6 posts before yours. The idea of this thread is to prevent people from popping in and asking the exact kind of question you just asked.:lol:
Hah, sorry I just didn’t think making a thread would’ve worked.
If it helps you could reply via a PM or Conversation. At any rate, their family bought this big Sony TV but it turned out to NOT be an HDTV, just a flat SDTV, and over here they could only trade it for another Sony (although I’m still asking around to see if there’s a shop that’ll trade it for another HDTV brand).
I’ll check the previous posts too, thanks.
Just thought I’d share some info. I opened my Alienware OptX 2210 monitor today and can state that it uses an AU Optronics M215HW01 V0 panel.
According to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ , these monitors also use the same panel.
BenQ E2200HD
BenQ E2200HDA
ViewSonic VX2260wm
ViewSonic VX2233wm
Dell S2209W
ViewSonic VA2213w
BenQ G2220HD
BenQ G2220HDA
LG W2243T
LG W2243T-PF
Nice panel lookup tool. The panel of my BenQ E2400HD (no longer available) is the AU Optronics M240HW01 V0. That matches these according to the same database:
Dell S2409W
Acer P244Wbii
Acer P244Wbmii
LG W2442PA-BF
Of those, that LG seems to be readily available and has shown average 3.2ms, max 16ms lag.
Well, that’s a good reason to go Sony. :lol: Maybe one of those above mentioned models is available where they are.
That panel lookup tool is pretty handy.
I just wanted to put out a suggestion for this thread:
So, this idea is awesome and a longtime coming. One of the biggest problems with the HDTV thread right now is the signal to noise ratio is simply astounding. I would really hate it if this thread turned into the same sort of thing. I would love to see some aggressive moderation on this where all of the “lol, is tihs a gud monitor?!?!?!?” crap is cut out so we don’t end up wading through 1589 pages of crap posts for the good discussion and useful links.
Also, sticky please.
I got an email reply from http://www.tftcentral.co.ukregarding what input they use to test input lag for the monitors and unless otherwise stated it is always DVI.
I sent follow up email asking how exactly they test for the input lag vs a crt so we know which method they are using. 
Still waiting to hear from http://www.hdtvtest.co.ukmaybe I will try to contact them again if I don’t get a reply by this weeks end.
Lastly, two new HDTV that were reviewed by hdtvtest had 16ms input lag one of them I found a U.S amazon link (Samsung PS51D550) for however the Toshiba 47VL863B I can’t find a matching U.S model for.
Nice work! I added the 32" model to the list. If you could somehow do another test with 46" model and post the pictures I would be happy to add it to the list.
Most low response TFT panels between 16-23" are going to be under 1 frame. It’s not hard to find a low response monitor there’s hundreds and hundreds of them out there.
Use DigitalVersus.com to confirm, they do input test on most of their reviews.
The problem I have with digital versus is their results are different than what other sources (such as tft central and forum users) report. Even the new monitor I purchased (LG IPS231P) they state input lag 16.5ms avg but tftcentral reported avg input lag (6.9ms) was easily in line with my own testing and digital versus was off. Maybe their test method is simply not as accurate.
In case anyone is interested, I found some stats on the input lag for the Viewsonic. VX2753mh-led.
It’s not in English but the translation produces this:
"Input lag on this model ranged from 0ms, 17ms and 34ms, between which the values of 0 and 17 ms were most common, while rarely appearing value of 34ms. "
So it looks like it would be a pretty good gaming monitor. Do you think by what this says it would be considered a sub 1 frame? I guess it would depend on an average of how many 0, 17, and 34 he actually got?
I pulled up a bunch of reviews on that site from the last 6 months, and none of them showed measurements of input lag, only ghosting (panel response time). All of the statements regarding input lag were perception-based, like:
[INDENT=1]Finally, there is some input lag, but it’s so small as to be invisible to the naked eye. That means the E2473HDS won’t be holding you back when gaming online or at a LAN party.[/INDENT]
[INDENT=1]The input lag is perfectly standard, and below the threshold of human perception.[/INDENT]
[INDENT=1]The input lag, on the other hand, is within average with just a very slight delay that isn’t noticeable to the naked eye.[/INDENT]
Is there another part of the site that I’m missing?
First time I’ve hear’d this. I know sometimes their reviews are out of date because companies produce the same model of monitor/tv but maybe change the screen without changing the model number. Sometimes also they do tests but miss out on some functions on the TV such as seen here…
But I’ve never hear’d of them of having a reputation for being just flat out wrong.
Robo refer to this link.
From the choose a test drop down menu select input lag test vs crt.
you would need to know the frequency of the 17 and 34ms photos in comparison to 0ms to work out an average. (which the review does not state)
Wow, this site design wise to get information is a bit of mess. I was referring to their monitor tests since you said
And now you linked to HDTV test. When I get some free time later I will most deff go through their HDTV tests and see if I can compare with results from around the web. They might end up being good source for HDTV input lag tests.
Their monitor reviews don’t include input lag results, you have to go to that comparison page. I did see some input lag results on the HDTV reviews.
The comparison page is using the graphics card clone mode for the input lag tests, FYI.
using this an example:
going to the stats, they’re saying this has 46ms of input lag. So compared to the numbers at the front of this thread, is this a pretty horrible tv or am I derping and they mean 4.6 ms?
46ms is normal for a 40inch hdtv. It’s not a horrible tv but it will have a frame or two of input delay which is not too bad for most console games. But for fighting games you should be looking at small sized tft monitors around 16-23".
I’m mainly looking for 22- 32 inches for just myself because I’d like to do other stuff than fighting. If I want the 0-20ms though I have to go with a LCD apparently? Because looking at that site most of the LCD’s are averaging between 10-16 ms and the lowest I"ve seen for a LED tv is at 32ms.
I don’t suppose that there is a badass 24" HDTV out there for fighter use is there?
Thank you for this awesome resource.
Yea look at the list in the first post. I would suggest a monitor though.