They never reviewed the P42S30 they reviewed the P42ST30 (The 3D enabled model which had under a frame of lag in 2D mode), the S30 is lacking 3D so I’d say there is a very high chance the input lag is sub 1 frame. Only way to really find out is for you to test it.
Yea I was looking at the VX2739wm but they seem to be hard to find now. If you find any lag stats on the VX2753mh-LED please let me know because I am also looking at this one but am hesitant to purchase it until I know how many ms of input lag it has.
If only I can find any of those 32inchers for sale from a legitimate website or local store! They’re so hard to come by now. It’s the only thing stopping me from getting a Kraylix
Can anyone tell me what are some of the best big screen TVs for fighting games? I know the Bravia’s are up there and some of the Panasonics as well, but how big can you go with TV’s until lag becomes bad?
Thanks
Now i got this Benq XL2410T i just tested it with Ps3 and it seems so far so good . Though i will test this against my old Benq G2412 and see if i manage to feel any more input lag
Size has nothing to do with input lag. The first page lists some good models. I know that the ST30 series of the 2011 Panasonic Plasmas has been tested to have less than 1 frame of lag as well. Here’s a review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st30b-p42st30-201105161138.htm#picture
Anybody have good recommendations for a monitor with a tv tuner (or small hdtv with a decent pc compatibility). I was leaning towards the Samsung P2370HD-1 and ruled out the Samsung FX2490HD based off this test http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=806&p1=9721&ma2=36&mo2=543&p2=5966&ph=1
I started looking at the Samsung B22/23/2430HD series, but I couldn’t find any input lag tests on them. Anybody with experience on them?
I know it would be much easier to just find a regular monitor, but I really would like the tv tuner and extra inputs and I’m ok with accepting a reasonable jump in input lag (the P2370HD-1 is 21.3ms)
neither would that splitter. Either your videocard outputs analog through a DB15 VGA port, or digital though a DVI or HDMI port. Putting your port to a splitter to both VGA and DVI would have to convert either an analog signal to digital or digital to analog (depending on what your videocard natively outputs in the first place). Either way one of the outputs will have some added lag due to the video feed having to go through a process to convert the signal to something the other than what it already is. Thus making said test unreliable.
Think of it this way if the videocard outputs digital through DVI and you have that going to an lcd screen which actually lags 32ms. Meanwhile the VGA port of the splitter goes through a conversion process of digital to analog which for the sake of this arguement takes 32ms (could be 1ms or 1sec, you don’t know since you never bothered to test out this splitter). So now when you perform this test. You’ll end up seeing that the timings for both the CRT and LCD are the same so you end up believing that its lag free. When in actuality it lags 32ms, but you couldn’t tell because the splitter which converted the digital to analog also created lag.
Heck you might even get instances where the LCD would be rated faster than a CRT depending on how long the conversion process takes from the digital to analog.
That is assuming that the device you are using accepts digital signals over DVI only. (Which is why i said it “may or may not work”)
The actual spec for DVI carries both Analog and digital signal (DVI-I). Not every device accepts that format though, and will only accept a digital DVI signal (DVI-D). Depends on the device being tested.
Once again, that is completely besides the point. The point, once again, is that clone mode does not produce accurate results.
and neither does the splitter for the reasons that I mentioned.
I use two Samsung T240HDs, the only problem with them is they’re glossy :([FONT=arial]
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You have some things wrong.
First of all, the splitter has no DAC. It is just a wire. It HAS to use the DVI-I spec.
Secondly, the input is VGA (analog) not DVI. You are connecting it to the VGA out of your videocard, not DVI out. Even if it did, 99% of modern videocards support analog out through DVI (DVI-I).
There is no analog to digital processing on the splitter at all, that is up to the device to do (once again, if the device supports DVI-I spec at all.)
The part where you are getting confused is where you assume that the splitter does an analog to digital (VGA > DVI-D) or digital to analog (DVI-D > VGA) conversion. It does not, it has no circuitry to do so. The splitter works by splitting the analog incoming signal to VGA, and DVI’s analog component (DVI-I).
Different types of DVI cable (Analog only DVI vs Digital DVI) are keyed differently. When I say it “may or may not work”, I mean that the cable may not even fit (meaning the output device doesn’t support that spec).
It has absolutely NOTHING to so with any processing lag because…there is no processing to be done.
That is my mistake because the digital/analog conversion is done on the motherboard/videocard (depending on if you have integrated graphic display or not).
Thus there is still potential for lag from the processing even if its done on the same port. Unless you can show me that the motherboard/graphics card holds the digital signal in a buffer until the analog signal is done being prepared and then sends them out in sync. Otherwise I’d be inclined to believe that the same problems that you have with 2 dvi ports in clone mode may be present even along the same port.
Besides that in a few years DVI will be discontinued and won’t even be supported by videocards/motherboards who are opting for an all digital soluiton. Either being “Displayport” or HDMI. Thus to provide support for older analog systems such as a our baseline analog CRT monitors there will be a seperate transcoder being required thus forcing us into the realm that I stated above.
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Damn I guess the Alienware Optx AW2210 is discontinued, so its out of the picture. I really like mine and caught it on sale for $170. I remember hearing it was slightly better than the Asus Evo monitor, just overly expensive. Now that they are discontinued for the newer 3D model, you may be able to snatch some up for cheap. Maybe Frys still has them http://www.frys.com/product/6279270?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Is there measured latency results for the hdfury? I would assume if that could be taken into account, an hdmi splitter with one input going through the hd fury into your crt would be a valid test.
Did you try adjusting the “Trace Free” option to 40 like they did? The review had my hopes up for a bit, but then I read your response haha.
Response time has nothing to do with input lag. This option is for adjusting the GTG settings.
But ya, compared with the BenQ E2400 HD and G2420 screens, I can feel lag on the VE278Q. I’m really hanging out for some VX2753mh-LED figures.
If you end up jumping the gun and getting the vx2753wm or find any info on it will you please let me know. I have a hard time believing digital versus because they said that the asus ve278q was lag free but I have read otherwise on the net. I wish they would provide numbers in ms instead of just saying no/low lag. I was thinking about the asus after their review until I read some user reviews around the net and saw the video on YouTube.
OK sorry if this isn’t the place to ask but what’s a good Sony HDTV for gaming? I’ve done a quick search on google, but the best I can find are the Sony KDL models, but they have 20-30 ms input lag.