Sub 1 frame HDTV/Monitor Input Lag Database

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Purpose: To index input lag (average) results from various HDTVs and monitors that have sub 1 frame (16.66ms) of lag when compared to a CRT TV or Monitor.

Sources:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk - Test LCD monitors for input lag compared to a CRT monitor.

http://www.prad.de - Test input lag using an oscilloscope.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk - Test the latest HDTV’s for input lag compared to a CRT display. (Which they started doing from April 2010)

The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ - Been through 55 pages (Will complete looking through the thread in the coming days) or so and will add the monitors or HDTVs that lag less than 1 frame compared to CRT. The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ

**Testing Methods: **

Please refer to TFTCentral’s article on testing methods.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/input_lag.htm

Preferred Testing Program / Hardware:

SMTT v2.0 or Oscilloscope.

http://smtt.thomasthiemann.com/index_en.html (SMTT Homepage)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope (Info on Oscilloscopes.)

How you can help: If you find that I have missed a HDTV or Monitor that has sub 1frame (average) of lag compared to a CRT please link to the test and results. If everything checks out it will be added to the list.

HDTVs:

Sony 32W400 - 8.6ms input lag 32" 1080p

Panasonic TC-L32X1 - 8-9ms input lag 32" 720p

Samsung LE32C530 - 14ms input lag (Any mode) 32" 1080p (U.S model LA32C530)

Panasonic TX-P50ST50B - 16ms input lag 50" 1080p (U.S model TC-P50ST50)

Samsung UE32D5000 - 16ms input lag 32" 1080p (U.S model UA32D5000)

Samsung LE32C450 - 16ms input lag 32" 720p (U.S model LA32C450)

Panasonic TX-P42S30B - 16ms input lag 42" 1080p (U.S model TC-P42S30)

Panasonic TX-P42C3B - 16ms input lag 42" 1024×768

Panasonic TX-P42ST30B - 16ms input lag 42" 1080p (U.S model TC-P42ST30)

Panasonic TX-P50S20B - 16ms input lag (Game picture mode) 50" 1080p

Panasonic TX-P42GT20 - 16ms input lag (2D to 3D conversion mode only) 42" 1080p

Panasonic TX-P42VT20B - 16ms input lag (2D to 3D conversion mode only) 42" 1080p

Panasonic TX-P46VT20B - 16ms input lag (2D to 3D conversion mode only) 46" 1080p

LG 32LD450 - 16ms input lag (Game picture mode) 32" 1080p

Samsung PS51D550 - 16ms input lag (HDMI 1 input label set to PC) 51" 1080p (U.S model PN51D550)

Samsung PS51D6900 - 16ms input lag (HDMI 1 input label set to PC) 51" (U.S model PS516900)

Toshiba 47VL863B - 16ms input lag (Game picture mode) 47" 1080p

User Reviewed HDTV’s:

An area for user reviews of HDTV’s that don’t have hard results, however according to the poster “feels” to have low input lag. This section was added due to the very limited number of HDTV reviews that actually test for input lag. So, these HDTV’s listed might be worth trying out at a store for yourself.

Samsung UE32EH5000 - low input lag 32" 1080p User Review

Monitors:

Dell E228WFP - 3ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050 (User Tested)

Dell S2330MX - 3.8ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080

Acer S243HLAbmii - 3.8ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080

Philips 273P3LPHES - 4.4ms input lag (SmartResponse “On”) TN Film 27" 1920x1080

ASUS MS238H - 5.05ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080

AOC e2352Phz - 5.1ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080

Samsung C27A750X - 5.3ms input lag (Fastest setting enabled) TN Film 27" 1920x1080

BenQ XL2410T - 5.6ms input lag (Instant = On) TN Film 120Hz 24" 1920x1080

Sceptre X270W - 5.75ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080

BenQ GW2750HM - 6ms input lag AMVA27" [SIZE=2]1920x1080[/SIZE]

BenQ GW2450HM - 6ms input lag AMVA2[SIZE=2]4" 1920x1080[/SIZE]

LG IPS231P - 6.9ms input lag (user mode) e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

ASUS MS246H - 6.9ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080

ASUS VE228H - 7ms input lag TN Film 22" 1920x1080

Samsung SM245B - 7.5ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1200

Hazro HZ30W - 7.5ms input lag S-IPS 30" 2560x1600

Hazro HZ26Wi - 7.5ms input lag H-IPS 26" 1920x1200

Asus VG278H - 7.9ms input lag (at 60Hz) TN Film 27" 1920x1080

NEC EA232WMi - 8.1ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

Dell U2311H - 8.2ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

ASUS VE247H - 8.3ms input lag TN Film 23.6" 1920x1080

ASUS VH236H - 8.3ms input lag (game mode) TN Film 23" 1920x1080 (A.K.A EVO MONITOR)

ASUS VH238H - 8.3ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080

Dell G2410H - 8.59ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080

Hazro HZ27WC - 8.8ms input lag H-IPS 27" 2560x1440

NEC EA231WMi - 8.8ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

Asus PA238Q - 8.9ms input lag P-IPS 23" 1920x1080p (Factory Setting)

Dell U2312HM - 9.3ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

LG L227WT - 9.4ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050

Viewsonic VX2739wm - 9.4ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080

Dell U2412M - 9.4ms input lag e-IPS 24" 1920x1200

HP ZR24W - 10ms input lag e-IPS 24" 1920x1200

Samsung F2380 - 10.6ms input lag cPVA 23" 1920x1080

Dell U2311H - 10.6ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

HP ZR30W - 11.26ms input lag S-IPS 30" 2560 x 1600

Hazro HZ27WB - 11.3ms input lag H-IPS 27" 2560x1440

ASUS VG236H - 12ms input lag TN Film 120Hz 23" 1920x1080

LG E2711PY-BN - 12.9ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080

Apple 27" Cinema Display - 12.73ms input lag IPS 27" 2560x1440 (Late 2010 model)

BenQ XL2420T - 13ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080

Dell U2410 - 14.4ms input lag (Game mode) H-IPS 24" 1920x1200

Hazro HZ30Wi - 14.4ms input lag H-IPS 30" 2560x1600

LG IPS235V - 14.7ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

Samsung 2233RZ - 15ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050

ASUS ML239H - 15ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080

Dell U2211H - 15.6ms e-IPS 22" 1920x1080

Panel Technologies TN Film, MVA, PVA and IPS Explained

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm

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This has been a long time coming. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

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Nice resource, I think that it’d be valuable to list the sizes of the displays as well.

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Nice list. But I can’t help but state the fact that a lot of the HDTV’s in the list are only available in Europe? I googled them and I only get EU sites

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Updated list with sizes.

Hi, sadly that is due to hdtvtest being located in the U.K using the U.K Panasonic & Samsung model number. The model numbers tested which had sub 1 frame lag were the older 20 series which has been superseded by the 30 series worldwide.

However, if we take the result for the newer TX-P42ST30B which had 16ms lag the corresponding model in the U.S is the TC-P42ST30, so simply when you want to google the model number you should disregard the TX and the B at the end.

Also, hdtv test have reviewed the other newer 30 series of Panasonic plasma displays but they did not make the list since they had over a frame of input lag.

(Note: The Samsung series in the U.S use LA32C530 and not LE32C530)

I’ll add the U.S model number if I find 'em to the list. (Sadly a lot of these HDTVs have been superseded)

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I’m not really that knowledgable when it comes to this stuff… I’m using a Toshiba Regza 32R1 model, and there’s a game mode that I use when I play games, from the official site it states that for

1080p - approximately 2.5ms lag
720p - approximately 2.7ms lag
480p - approximately 3.1ms lag

So I assume thats good, right?

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Well that seems to be new Japanese model. However, without them providing how they tested this we simply can not take the results at face value.

Hopefully, they release this worldwide so people can compare to a CRT and report back. 2.5ms of input lag (@1080p) would really be out of this world. :stuck_out_tongue:

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ah okay… i guess after a year+ its still not released outside of japan… i was just about to consider sellin it to a friend before i leave the country, i guess im bringing it home then lol

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ummm. Always looked for a guide like this on TV/monitors, so yeah this topic is S tier.

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I like this.
Been wanting a 1920x1200 monitor.

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Isn’t a frame 16 2/3 ms?
Does this mean all of these tvs are solid for SF?

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Both points are correct.

Could you tell me, what does “2D to 3D conversion mode only” mean?

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Went through about 60 pages (from last post back) of the “The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ” and added the following displays that hit the sub 1frame mark and were tested against CRT display.

ASUS VE228H (Tested by Threi)

ASUS VH236H (Tested by Cicada)

Panasonic TC-L32X1 (Tested by Cicada)

Will go through the rest of the thread next few days.

This is feature of the Panasonic 3DTV’s that convert the image from 2D to 3D hdtvtest found that had the lowest input lag. However, in normal 2D viewing the input lag was much worse and easily over 1 frame, so please keep this in mind.

Also, JCool 1 frame (60fps video source) is 16.66666666666667ms to be exact. 1 second = 1000 milliseconds. 1000 milliseconds / 60 frames (how fast almost all fighters are locked to per second) = 16.66666666666667ms

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16 and 2/3 is the same as 16.666666666666667 ms
but thanks for reconfirming. now i’m on the hunt for a new tv. thanks for the thread gents. keep it up.

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It’s just 16.666 ms; repeating, of course.

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How did you come to that? When I calculate it the value always returns 16.666666666666667.

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yeah thanks a bunch for making this the other thread had none of the good tvs/monitors on frontpage and the other thread was VERY unorganized.

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2/3 =/= .666666666667 no mater what calculators say

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Very nice. If possible, I think the test summaries in the OP should specify which connections were used when that information is provided (HDMI, component, VGA, etc).

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LG 32LD450 - 16ms input lag (Game picture mode) 32" 1080p

All the sizes have the same lag. I myself have the 47. And only one panel type (I forget which but I know it’s not MVA) are confirmed.