Assuming he’s not talking out of his ass and/or Nintendo doesn’t cheap out on the wireless connectivity at the last moment, looks like the Wii U might end up being a useful tool for finding HDTV lag.
You won’t find it in a 42 at best buy. Most stores only have the 55" on display. They can order 50-65 I believe. I believe earlier in the thread that the ST50 was rated at 16ms
Hey just to clarify so that no one gets confused there both lcd screens its just the backlight is led instead of standard backlight but its true they do use less power and weight less with led backlighting.
Hmm, this is very interesting, apparently the philips 5507 series only has 17 ms input lag.
That would make it the first 55 inch led tv that one could do some very decent gaming on.
This is the review from digitalversus:
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-40pfl5507h-p12906/test.html
Can anyone confirm the 17ms?
Other reports say around 35-40ms.
There is panel lottery for that model, though.
No, only the first 40 inch have a sharp panel which is better then the ones that came out at the end of the summer, which were all samsung panels.
All the other dimensions, 46 and 55 inch, are all samsung. So no panel lottery there.
What is remarkable is that both the sharp panels as well as the samsung panels have about the same input lag, so the input lag seems to be rather panel independent.
Digitalversus has been testing 3 different versions of the 5507 series, all came out with about the same very low input lag.
Any U.S. model #?
I think it is the same as the european model number.
Does anybody know about this monitor:
http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-GL2450HM-24-Inch-Circuit-Console/dp/B006HIKIHO
Apparently it’s what MLG is using now. I wonder if EVO will make the switch too if the monitor is better?
http://hdportal.hr/recenzije/?reviews=philips-40pfl5507&page=8
input lag - 31ms, Sharp panel was tested and they were really impressed with the model
http://hdtelevizija.com/2012/06/02/recenzija-3d-led-lcd-philips-40pfl5507k-5500-serija/5/
input lag - 30ms in PC mode, 100ms without it
According to that test site even the famous 16 ms panasonic txl42e30e gets a 30 ms:
http://hdtelevizija.com/2011/03/16/recenzija-lcd-2d-panasonic-tx-l42e30e-107-cm/
For those of you that want a low input lag monitor and do not want to skimp on quality, I highly recommend the ASUS PA248Q. This monitor has an LED IPS display for much better quality than a typical TN monitor, 24 inches in size with a 1920x1200 resolution. It’s geared towards designers but it has VERY low input lag, as well as multiple input connections. Professional reviews from PRAD.de and other websites peg the input lag somewhere between 6.5-10ms. For reference, the ASUS EVO monitor is rated around 8.3ms of input lag.
Here are the specs from Amazon’s item page:
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[]Professional-grade color fidelity with pre-calibrated ?E <5 for industry-leading color accuracy
[]True, precise colors on a 100% sRGB, 16:10 aspect ratio, 1920 x 1200 optimal A+ IPS panel
[]The world’s first monitor with four USB 3.0 ports for 10X faster transfer
[]ASUS-exclusive innovations like QuickFit, Splendid and 5-Way navigation key for enhanced productivity
[]A comfortable viewing experience with award-winning ergonomic design with tilt, swivel, pivot and height adjustments
[]Inputs: 1x DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, 1x DVI, 1x VGA
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Having gotten this monitor yesterday, I can confirm low input lag. While I don’t have a way to test it myself, the timings feel identical to me coming from the EVO monitor, as well as the W2363D from LG (which has 0ms input lag).
This stand is the best in the business. I don’t think you’ll find a better monitor stand on anything under $700. It’s fully adjustable, supports portrait rotation and doesn’t feel cheap at all. Very solid build, better than any monitor I’ve owned before.
The monitor is simply beautiful. The only downside (to some players, not me) is that it’s a 16:10 monitor, so if you play Xbox/PS3 games on it, you will get black bars on the top and bottom. I don’t recommend this monitor for PS3 users that play in 720p unless you’re okay with incorrect strectched aspect ratio. PS3 does not support 1080p scaling in a lot of games, therefore 1:1 scaling will give you a tiny picture on this monitor. The monitor does support 1:1 scaling, which is why you will receive black bars on 16:9 content. I’m happy to have a 16:10 monitor for computer use, as well as an IPS display, so I don’t mind it at all. You can read more about this monitor here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236287&Tpk=PA248Q
Curious about this as well and how it compares to the W version which is on the front page.
Can anyone recommend a LED/LCD TV that’s bigger than 24" with low input lag? The list on the first page is good, but most of those are extremely hard to find in bulk and I need something I can buy in bulk that’s not as small as say the EVO Monitor (ASUS).
I have no problem using ASUS and other good monitors, but just trying to find something a little bigger that’s between 25 and 32.
I wanted to confirm the 17ms input lag results from Digitalversus.com (Lesnumeriques) for the Philips PFL5507:
So today i went to the shop and did an input lag test on the 55PFL5507 (the 55 inch variant).
I took 133 (burst) shots from the tv and my test laptop using arguably the best input lag test tool currently available for pc, which is SMTT 2.0.
On average the input lag i measured was only 5ms.
However, i also compared the input lag of my laptop to my 21 inch Sony CRT at home and it seems my laptop has anywhere in between 10-13ms of input lag.
So if add those results to the results of the test of the 55PFL5507 i can say the input lag of the 55PFL5507 should be between 15 and 18ms.
So that totally confirms the 17ms result of lesnumeriques (digitalversus).
Since 1 frame out of 60 frames equals 16,66ms, i come to the conclusion that the 55PFL5507 has about 1 frame of delay, which is arguably a perfect result for playing shooters/fps games and as far as i know the first 55 inch LED TV that actually has such low input lag.
I think i now also understand the much higher input lag testing results reported on other HDTV sites. Some have reported the input lag to be about as high as about 50 ms.
I got the exact same slow result when i only switched the scene to game mode.
So, switching to game mode was not sufficient to get low input lag, i also had to activate the PC mode and deactivate noise reduction and all possible other motions processing options i could find in the menu.
However, i did not test just activating game mode + pc mode and leaving all the other options as they were (all activated), so it could very well be that activating game mode + pc mode is already sufficient to get to the very low 17ms input lag number.
I would like to suggest to put the Philips PFL5507 series into the sub one frame database.
For those who are interested, the samsung panel in de 46 inch version of the PFL5507 has been tested to be much better then the rather disappointing panel switch from sharp to samsung in the 40 inch version:
It got a 4 star review, so a good change that the 55 inch has the same quality panels as does the 46 inch version.
Hi everyone, Im considering buying the Asus VS247H-P for Xbox 360. I currently own the BenQ GL2450HM and it’s mostly perfect except for one very annoying problem: when displaying Xbox 360, (and probably many other devices) darker colors flicker, causing me eyestrain and head discomfort. Does anyone own the VS247H-P and has used it for Xbox 360? Does it have this problem? Is there any flicker at all? Also, how is the input lag? Can you notice any delay at all? Thanks.
-James
For those who want to know:
Yesterday i went to the shop again and tested the 40 inch variant (40PFL5507).
This time i conducted the input lag test by only activating Game mode in combination with PC Mode. So i left all the other settings (noise reduction, pixel plus, etc.) as they were (activated).
The result of the input lag of the 40 inch model seems to be just bit lower. On average it was 3,5ms.
Adding 3,5ms to the input lag of my laptop screen (10-13ms), the total input lag should be only 13,5-16,5ms.
So again about 1 frame of delay, which is a great result.
The good news is that you do not have to deactivate any picture improving options to get to the low input lag, so there is no compromise there.
My guess it that the 40 inch variant had a sharp panel, the serial number ended with 400.
I have also contacted Philips some time ago regarding 4:4:4 chroma subsampling support and they confirmed that 4:4:4 chroma subsampling is fully supported on the 4000 and 5000 series (same platform).
I would say that this tv ticks a lot of boxes, especially for gamers.
For those interested, this is the english review on digitalversus of the 46PFL5507 (which has a PSA panel):
Hello,
What do you think about Samsung S27A950D I see it in other reviews that it has like 4ms input lag on displayport at 120hz but prad.de says that it has 15,8ms (AVG). It is said that it has more lag using hdmi.
do you think it is too much or it is ok to have this input lag?
The other option although I would lost 3d capability (cause I have Amd GPU) is Asus VG278H, this one has an impressive input lag 
any thoughts?
FYI, the VG278HE is 20+ ms @ 60Hz = bad for consoles
hi everyone !
(sry for m english)
I want to buy a 32" HDTV for my cab, it will better if its support 1080p but i want the lagless tv on sale.
So can ou give me an advice ? thanks a lot