I’m still curious to hear from you what are the 3 best gaming monitors in your opinion, all things considered? 
paxos ,
so ure saying ML239 wich is an e-IPS panel has an input lag of 2 ms ? if so then why in database its 15 ms ? and ML238 is a TN panel with 2ms response time and 5 ms input lag i just wanna make sure about it and idk i feel confused by what u said ! ML239 input lag is 15 ms in here data base ? ??!
Seeing this thread really makes me glad that I snagged up a lagless CRT HDTV off someone who was going to dispose of it as ewaste since they were “upgrading” to flat panel.
askhan:
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actual response times in most cases DO NOT correspond to what manufactures advertise.
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IPS and MVA panels have generally higher response times, not necesarrily higher input lags.
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the input lag tests from PRAD are the most precise ones, because they use an oscilloscope for measurement.
-> please have a look at their english website at http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html for the reviews.
**- one mistake i made: the response times mentioned above are only HALF OF THE ACTUAL response time. **
more precisely, the time a monitor needs to change the luminosity between 10% and 90% from black to white AND BACK are called response time, according to ISO 13406-2. the above mentioned response times are ONLY HALF that time, meaning one way and without changing back.
-> PRAD measures latency as HALF the response time + the actual input lag.
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remember, that at a trace free setting of 100, every asus monitor will show corona effects and reverse ghosting. some work fine at 80, some will have to be set to 40 or even 20 if you don’t want to see any negative overdrive effects. so depending on the setting that works best for a particular monitor model, you have to choose a compromise in overall latency.
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the ML-series reviews are only available in german.
ml239h: FULL response time 13 ms - 29.2 ms (depends on TF setting), input lag 1.5 ms -> latency between 8 ms and 16.1 ms;
ml248h: response time 4.5 ms - 25.6 ms, input lag 1.4 ms -> latency between 3.7 ms and 14.2 ms;
ml249h: response time 27.4 - 46.7, input lag 1.5 ms -> latency between 15.2 ms and 24.9 ms.
Dear paxos ,
so ure saying ML248H has a latency of 3.7 ms to 14.2 ms based on TF settings ? right ? and based on this ML238H wich is an inch smaller than ML248H has a latency even lower than ML248H or at least equal latency , am i right ?
and another question , the higher the TF the higher the latency or viseversa ? plz reply to this comment for sure ! tanx
ashkan:
- as i said, those are the numbers that prad got from their reviews. prad is afaik the most reliable website with respect to latency tests.
- TF = Trace Free = the name for Asus’ overdrive function. the higher the setting, the faster the panel acts and, thus, the lower the response time will get.
-> remember, not every Asus monitor comes with this setting. and those that do, are not automatically good choices for gaming.
-> also, if the TF setting is too high, you will get corona effects and reverse ghosting. the best setting depends on the specific model you have.
see http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/specials/inputlag/inputlag.html for a more in-depth look at PRAD’s latency measurements.
Well Paxos im so thankfull for ur replys and now i fully understand the meaning of latency ! but then again i ask u a question and want a simple answer from u and other expert dudes here !
for lowest possible latency and a medium to good quality in Asus family , ML238H or ML239H ? also i dont care a bit about viewing angels so no diff between TN and IPS , i’ve been in IPS boat for a while and didnt really saw anything awesome about it , so give me ur replys , tanx a million guys .
- how about you try the ml238h or the ml248h out? be sure that your seller offers a good return policy. test the monitor with LAGOM and pixperpan. don’t forget to also try out your favorite games.
- i did not find any useful reviews on the ml238h, it is an older model nonetheless. i don’t know if the panel can be compared to the ml248h, but that one performs quite well.
- the ml239 comes with an IPS panel and besides all the negatives on budget IPS panels (LG!) and the hard anti-glare coating (bleeding, ips glow, illumination level etc.), it shows higher response times in comparison to fast TN panels. in addition, you will have to set TF to 40 to reduce the amount of corona effects and reverse ghosting.
personally, i bought an asus vs248h after i tried four other monitors and i will probably keep it. although the illumination level is only average and the colors could be better, it is the best alternative so far. near zero lag and very fast / no reverse ghosting at TF=80.
Interesting thing is the EVO monitor (and a lot of ASUS panels that have an advertised 2ms GTG response time) have this function. The ones that have an advertised response time of 5ms (like the VE228H) don’t.
What are the settings the VH modems should be using for best results?
well , so sadly in the place i live there is no such thng as ‘‘return policy’’ 
so no i cant try them all :*( but what do u think about this : http://www.topgamingmonitors.com/best-input-lag-gaming-monitors/ ? can we trust this website ? it’ve mentioned the EVO as well , so what do u think ? if this one is reliable and trustable then im going to get ML238 and if not i guess i have no choice but to go for ML248 and no i dont want ML239 at all .
ashkan: why not order online?
most online retailers offer a return policy.
the website you mentioned does not seem to be trustworthy, it does not offer comprehensive reviews.
ragnarok: i had the led version of the evo monitor, the vh238h. very fast, but aweful colors that i could not correct via hardware settings or software.
the vh248h has ghosting issues, so i would not go for that.
Paxos ,
im living in a land where i cant buy anything online unless i wanna buy it from inside and no store have such thing as return policy and u know why is that ? cuz of the US sanction , yeah im living in Iran and now u say that website is not trustworthy then it seems i have no choice but to get the ML248 and i feel sad cuz i like the ML238 more !
Yeah, I’ve already got two VH238H monitors as I got a good deal on them during Black Friday. They seem to be working fine for gaming thus far , I just wanted to make sure I’m using the best settings for input lag. If I find myself in need of accurate color reproduction, though, I’ll likely have to get another monitor altogether.
ashkan: as far as i know, the 238 is just the 23" version of the 248. they are probably identical, but no promises.
ragnarok: the vh238h offers a good color reproduction after calibration or installing a icc profile. nevertheless, good does not mean that you can edit photos (semi-)professionally with this panel. this won’t work with nearly every TN panel.
only downside so far is the bad brightness homogeneity, i will try another one.
But, are you aware of any set of settings that works best with it?
ragnarok: i downloaded the icc profile from http://www.bestgamingmonitor.net/featured/asus-vs248h-p-review/, installed it and changed brightness to 40 and adjusted the colors in the OSD menu according to test screens.
standard mode, TF=80.
Since I already have a TV and don’t feel like upgrading can I just use this?
I’m in Japan and trying to hunt down an identical model to one of the confirmed low-lag HDTVs from the first page. It’s becoming a real pain in the butt since either the models themselves or the model numbers are different… anybody got a lead on equivalent models for <1f HDTVs? I was eyeballing a TH-P42ST3 in the store today thinking it might be the same as the TC-P42ST30, but I don’t really want to take a risk…