This is all small talk.
How many people remember when everyone thought Sentinel was too slow and sluggish? lolz.
Thor will be fine when its all said and done.
This is what I said during that whole “Haggar/Gief could never work” thing. With he right assists that could be amazing.
Ok the DP+attack is his powerdunk move (mighty smash), correct? What’s the motion for his mighty strike? That’s the one where he flies toward the opponent with his hammer in front of him. It kinda looks like Bison’s psycho crusher without the spinning.
I remember from the S-kill demo that the dunk was an extension of the strike. I think…
I don’t believe that to be the case. Mighty Smash(power dunk) is it’s own move, while Mighty Strike(torpedo) is it’s own move as well. Apparently, nobody knows how to do it. How can I blame them? Nobody’s really playing Thor that seriously because he’s apparently bad.
If you ask me, it’s qcb+attack(mighty strike, that is). There’s no move that Thor has which matches that command.
dp+a = 45degree mighty strike (followup with attack for extension)
dp+b= vertical mighty strike
dp+c= horizontal mighty strike
All speculation on my part since i haven’t played the game. I think Yungkratos has played the game so he should know.
No disrespect to ppl who tried to play him and didn’t accomplish much but I haven’t seen anyone try to play him different from other characters.
Didn’t see much assist use with him, just trying to use his dash (which ppl know suck) to get in. We know that won’t work. I want to see ppl at the ATL fight club using a good assist (I suggested Skrull and his Stone Smite assist) to cover Thor’s mighty strike to get in.
Tho his air dash is slow he can cancel it with his j.H attack which lingers till you touch the ground like Gief’s splash in SF. Or you can go with his air mighty strike which is safe on block.
You can also cancel his j.H into his mighty strike and might catch some ppl off guard, and even if you don’t you’re still safe on block. His sweep (don’t know which button it is) has a really nice range and combos into his power dunk.
There’s just so much stuff that I haven’t seen ppl do yet that I don’t understand how ppl can write him off already
Agreed. I’m going to give him a shot and see what works. I’m sure this character is fine. I dunno how people who haven’t played this game can write him off so quickly, lol.
I’m wondering about his Mighty Strike Attack- is it multi hitting and “directable”, like Ruby Heart’s attack, or more like a quick strike like TVC’s Ken the Eagle? I’m going to have to test it out; it seems that move is key to his mobility.
I don’t know if this has been brought up yet, but I thought in the interview Keits had with S.Kill, Seth talked about how Thor had another option for getting in, where he flies with his hammer. Have we seen anything like this?
That’s what I’m talking about, his mighty strike
Oh, it’s called that? My bad, didn’t realize.
Its all good. There isnt a lot of coverage on him, so I can see why you asked. But I wonder why most people HAVENT used that move for mobility. I’m gonna have to give it a whirl. Are any of you going to be at ATL fight club?
They tried, they weren’t impressed >>
Seriously, I’m not throwin’ Thor out with the bathwater, but there really does seem to be some problem. S.Kill saying ‘he is good he just takes the right assist combo to make work’ is the same as saying ‘he’s bad compared to the multiple characters that don’t really need an assist in the first place’.
Who tried and what did they do?? That’s what I’m getting at.
Thor was barely used in any of Keits vids and when he was it was by someone who had no idea what they were doing. Did they not upload those vids or what?
Was Sentinel and Doom not an essential part of Clockw0rk in MvC2?? Yea you could run him by himself but at Evo he doesn’t have the tools to be able to run by himself the way Mags, Storm & Sent can.
I just don’t understand the meaning behind calling him bad simply because you can’t play him like Dante, Chun or any of the other faster characters, and I’m 100% sure that’s the reason ppl say he’s bad.
Not being able to relentlessly rushdown doesn’t make him bad
Keits say that he had a lot of time on his own to try to find stuff with Thor, and he couldn’t find anything. Perhaps he was trying to play him like Chun and Dante, but it could really be that Thor just doesn’t have much going for him.
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At around 0m41s, he shows multi-directional Mighty Strike and the move everyone’s knows about, the Mighty Smash i.e. not-the-Power-Dunk-because-this-is-The-God-Of-Thunder-and-everything-he-does-is-MIGHTY.
Anyway, to also add to the “Let’s find ways for Thor to not suck” camp giving suggesting to Arttronik, a few of my thoughts:
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[] His hammer spin move. Is this any good? Frame advantage? Big hitbox?
[] j.C that S-kill showed off. It definitely looks like it has loads of active frames and a nice hitbox. Can it be coupled with his slow-ass dash?
[] Some assists that help him approach/combo on hit. I’m thinking Dorm Black Hole, IM Repulsor, Chun Legs, Ammy Ice Shots would be good.
[] His hammer sweep (c.C?) looks like it has a decent amount of advancement and range.
[] Is his air-throw comboable? If not, would it be possible for it lead to resets?
[] The Mighty Thunder super (“lightning shockwave”), what’s up with the sometimes slow startup I’ve seen in some vids? Can you hold down the buttons to charge it?
[] Use the ever-loving HELL out of Mighty Strike, in the air and on the ground. It’s pretty disgusting that a fast, advancing special move has been rarely seen in any Thor vids.
[]He has a slow and a fast Mighty Strike in the air???
[]His Mighty Strikes done on the ground that leave him the air allow him to do moves afterwards. Can he use this to approach with j.C?
[]His standard launch strings seems to be: c.A, c.C, E. In general, launch is c.C, E NOT s.B, E
[*]His air finisher is: A,B,C,Mighty Strike xx Mighty Tornado
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Old Capcom vid of Thor doing things besides sucking: [media=youtube]7RYve7NarCw[/media]
The Mighty Shockwave’s startup was sped up according to S-Kill. Even THEY noticed how ungodly slow that crap was in his debut.
hammerspin is ok but again im going to explain to the thread for like the 5th time WHY THOR IS ASS
1.Dash. Most dashes if you wave dash can get you across the screen in about 2 to 3 dashes. Thor takes 4-6 dashes to get across screen. I wouldnt even go as far as to call what he does a dash id call it like a quickstep
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Airdash. his airdash is even worse than his ground dash I tried doing a triangle jump and heres what happens. Thor changes the direction hes facing and the proceeds to go into this uncacellable floating animation. He doesnt even move he just proceeds to float there helplessly waiting for the Dick.
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projectile. while it hits kind of hard you will never land it. comes out in like 30-45 frames on the fastest version. if some one is zoning you they can just duck and avoid all chip. if there dashing in they can just press down and avoid all chip. absolutely useless move and slowest projectile i have ever seen in any game ever.
4.Mighty strike. moves starts up ok but is completely punishable all versions. this move will not be his saving grace if they block your eating the 50%.
5.Command throw. You will never land this move regular throws beat it. Its happened to me believe it.
6.normals. his normals have nice priority but there range is absolutely unacceptable.I guess his elbow drop is ok but if your opponent is stupid enough to just stand there you need to find better comp.
7.damage. Oh yes if you thought damage was gonna be strong point its not cuz heres why. he can do average of 60 to 70 percent combos in a game were everyone does about 50%. think about it an extra 10 to 20 for all that drama Thor has to deal with that damage is absolutely not worth the hassle.
there arent any assists that are going to help him. Why you ask ? because there arent any assists with THAT much block stun you would need like 40 frames of block stun for Thor to really be inside from a full screen away and assists like ice shots take forever to start up doom rocks is ok but doesnt cause that amount of block stun. However none of that matters because of PUSHBLOCK. Even if you were to some how magically mindfuck (with what i couldnt tell you) your opponent into letting you send ot a raw uncovered assist that would put them in enough block stun to let Thors short bus ass get across the screen in time to land a hit, your opponent would just pushblock to safety.
so heres the comparison between other big characters for all you knucklheads that are trying to do the big guy comparison
sentinel. mobility is gdlk. screen control is gdlk. highest health. super armor. damage output is insane.
juggernaut. super armor. glitches. gdlk super. mobility wanst as bad.
blackheart. a threat from all ranges, good array of supers, one of the most useful assists in the game
colossus and hulk werent much better but they had super armor and colossus still had a much better damage output for the game he was in.
none of those big guys had the mobility problems Thor has. so there you have it for the hard heads i hope i spoke slowly enough.
You’ve got some hostility in there buddy, might wanna tone it back some.
Yeah he has problems, yeah they're fixable (like improving his throw and his dash/airdash), yeah the game isn't out yet and they know the problems even if they won't admit them (which seems to be a Capcom thing). Doesn't make people idiots for questioning it or trying to figure out how he might be good.I’m calling you out for flip-flopping. John Kerry Syndrome has poisoned you. 
And capcom will never make throws comboable like KOF games. It’ll never happen outside of cc’s.
I’m hoping that the “with the right assist” comment is referring to a character yet to be announced, but even then I see several issues.
1.) Thor still seems to have a mighty hill to climb to be usable.
2.) Thor would then only be playable with what, a small handful of the rest of the cast?
3.) Outside of Thor’s damage output as a air combo tag-in being used to potentially kill the opponent, he still isn’t doing much.
I don’t think its looking good for the ol’ god of thunder. 