Stop and Frisk nerf. Officers to carry in uniform DLC. Enforcement input lag. Win % to drop?

Oh, they have systematic help.

You are aware that the problem at hand is, whites and minorities are both human beings but one has to clearly try harder to succeed than the other. You illustrated that with the story. Do you really wanna tell people that everything is all good, minorities in bad neighborhoods shouldn’t demand equal rights and just have to grind 10 time harder than a white person. Don’t worry about stop and frisk, just work EXTRA harder than your white/wealthier counterparts to get outta that trap.

That’s not cool…

As far as I’m concerned, every cop should have a camera on their uniform. I’m completely ok with my taxes going to something like that.

And people wonder why, "Stop Snitchin’ " is “a thing.” Maybe somebody does know something but when you’ve put him up against a wall once a week just because he’s far less likely to say shit. Real police work needs the trust of citizens, and something like S&F is completely counter productive to that.

Quite honestly though I get where the police are coming from in general. They know that any day that they wake up and go to work can be their last. If they’re caught slipping then they could be done. They know that now the expectation practically calls for them to be hardasses, and anything less than that can be seen as a sign of weakness.

What isn’t talked about with the stop and frisk process is that the overwhelming majority of the people being stopped haven’t done a thing. It can be demoralizing. Part of being in a “free” society is freedom from oppression, and to be able to be stopped “just because” is practically the definition of oppressive, this is especially true for the people that get stopped constantly. The other thing that’s not talked about that no public official has the balls to say is that a lot of cops are assholes. If every cop was perfectly mild mannered and handled their jobs with complete professionalism then Id have less of a problem with S&F, but when you give a bully with a badge carte blanche to stop whomever the fuck he wants then that’s a problem. Look at the kid in the video had to go through (there’s an extended version on youtube). Subjecting people to that is problematic, and he said that the recorded exchange wasn’t even the worst he’s had.

Finally a thread on SRK where the majority of the posters are calling police out on their bullshit. Nice

“Stop snitchin’” is a thing because people want free license to be shady but don’t want to deal with the shit that comes with it. Cops being assholes and citizens being assholes are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah, but that isn’t the whole reason. That shit became more prevalent because they didn’t feel like the cops were there to help. Just to harass. It’s like “why should I help you do your job if you’re just out here fucking with people?” Police behavior perpetuates stuff like “Stop Snitchin’” without question.

I also have a problem with stop and frisk. It’s a safety thing for both the citizen and the officer.
For starters, are the officers shouting at a person from a safe distance and/or in a vehicle, asking them to stop? It’s about 22 feet for a trained officer to reliably pull out a weapon at a person charging with a knife/weapon.

The other thing is, the officer yells, ‘stop’ to a person, but the person doesn’t hear, is deaf, wearing head phones, doesn’t think the officer is shouting at me, what does the officer do? What if the person puts their hands in their pockets? Does the officer think this person is reaching for a weapon?

All in all, it’s an unconstitutional law. You need a warrant to search someone or their personal property. That’s just how it is done, except for immediate danger.

Instead of what is essentially penetration of your personal freedoms, why don’t the officers, you know, talk to people, get to know them, become their trusted friends.
If my interactions with police were, ‘Stop and frisk’, I’d fucking hate their guts and spit on anyone who becomes a police officer or a government official.

LOL

You sound white.

Oh wait…

Seriously, you don’t snitch to cops because cops aren’t there to help you, they never where, and when they did, they did shit to you and made your life much more difficult.

You only think that because stupid ass black, hispanic, white, and asian folk use this to their advantage to do stupid crap. The police are just as responsible if not, more responsible than anybody else for the abuse of this mentality which they set up in the first place implicitly.

They are the professionals, they are the the representatives of the law, perhaps they should act like it all the time to earn the trust of minorities who aren’t going to change their mentality because some dude with glasses released a study saying it’s more benificial to go to the police or cooperate.

Until then, expect Pablo to stand by don’t snitch so he can do his shady things.

Let it be noted for the record that white people are against “stop snitching” and non-white people are in favor of “stop snitching”.

If anybody objects, fuck you, because Pedoviejo has spoken.

Who would talk to police when their only role models (gangsta rappers and/or criminal family member, usually an older brother who’s constantly in trouble with police for selling drugs) tell them police are evil?

People being conditioned to accept being treated like this. Just as planned.

way to make it obvious you didnt read the other half and completly fail to read the whole

but seriously part.

but hey, sarcastic jokes, even when there the whole obvious hey this is a sarcastic joke, part is plastered in plain english, must be hard for some of you to understand.

I heard sarcasm is hard for non English speakers

“No no I’m being sincere”

My 2 cents, I pasted this from my blog:

Stop, Question and Frisk: A Brief Look

Imagine you’re walking home from a long day of work. You’re tired and you can’t wait to shower then relax by watching the season finale of breaking bad that you haven’t had time to watch. A block from your home, a black impala with no hubcaps aggressively U-turns and stops 3 feet away from you. While stunned, all you see the intimidating grille of a beat up unmarked vehicle and two tall men with guns and shields on their chest step out of the car. They approach you, identify themselves as officers and surround you. One looks in your pocket while the other one questions you about what you’re doing in your own neighborhood. You become aggravated because some guy you’ve never met, and who you otherwise would knock out if they weren’t cops is touching you in places that only your wife does. After searching you and realizing you weren’t who they were looking for, they apologize and walk away. You’re a hardworking man but you have been made to feel humiliated, violated and treated like a criminal by two people you’ve never met. And you feel like you were only stopped because of your skin color. Cause shit, why else would anyone stop a hard working guy who is on his way home from work. It’s a situation that’s all too common in NYC. But is it really what it seems?

I’ve been stopped and frisked before and I understand how aggravating it can be. But media representation of Stop Question and Frisk (SQF) makes it appear as if the police are stopping random people, and that’s simply not how it happens.

Generally, people are stopped because the officer heard a description over the radio of someone who just commited a crime, the officer then observes someone that matches the description. In the interest of finding the perpetrator of the crime and ensuring the officers safety, an SQF is conducted. Even if the person is not frisked, the officer has to fill out a form in order to document the stop.

In regards to the claims about black males being predominantly stopped for their furtive movements, any good cop can tell if someone is carrying a weapon or acting suspiciously. In busy precinct, you’re going to come across a lot of people who act in that manner. Let’s say that you are a police officer. You are working an area there have been lots of gunpoint cell phone robberies committed by black males who roam in groups of 2 late at night. It’s monday night at 0300 and you observe a two black males circling the same general area with no destination but they’re constantly looking around. One of them is engaging in furtive movements by constantly adjusting his waistband. When the two males notice you, they get nervous and they turn the other way. At that point, their actions give you reasonable suspicion to believe that they are about to commit a crime so you stop, question and frisk them. But you find nothing, it turns out that they were teenagers who high and didn’t want to get caught. This is the typical SQF example.

To the outside observer it seems like the stop isn’t predicated on the situation that I described. But that’s because all the civilian sees is the part of the SQF where the officer actually puts their hands on the person. People don’t see the events that led up to the stop. People don’t hear the radio transmission describing the perp and most people don’t know the crime trends in the neighborhood that justify the stops. It’s one of those things where unless the person is a police officer, or if the person is given an understanding of the dynamics of policework (like i’ve been blessed to learn in my time as an auxiliary) that people won’t totally grasp. To the naked eye SQF seems nefarious, but it’s not what it seems.

Mistakes happen a lot, and some officers are so new that they can’t tell the difference between furtive movements and regular movement. Some officers can’t properly articulate the justification for a stop. And according to the news, some commands have been reported to pressure officers to get a certain amount of stops in order to show the city that they are proactive in preventing crime. I believe that a review of command level SQF practices is reasonable. But this criticism that’s being presented is totally unwarranted.

All I know is if people support this, don’t whine about Patriot Act, or NDA. You are saying it’s okay to infringe somebody rights because there is potential gain from it.

I’m so sick of people arguing that stop-and-frisk is totally fine and anyone saying otherwise just doesn’t get it. They only had to convince one person of this: the judge. They couldn’t.

It’s essentially a rape of your personal freedom.

It’s our law to require a warrant to search a person or private property. Anything that circumvents that law should be found illegal in a court of law.

Any officer that violates this law should face a judge to justify it, because sometimes it can be justified to break into a house where someone is about to get murdered, for instance.

All of this would be a compelling argument if and only if police officers were perfect examples of mild mannered people who always do their job according to policy, and never step out of line. I point to the video excerpt in the linked article (a longer clip of which can be found on Youtube) wherein the officers refer to the kid as “a mutt,” and “a piece of shit” during a search. Where’s the protocol for that? I don’t want to hear “oh well those are bad officers, and they should be dealt with,” there are a LOT of officers like that. S&F basically sicked officers just like them on citizens just because. The whole “fit the description” shit is problematic when you’re patrolling an area with thousands of people and a large percentage of them “fit the description.” What happens when someone fits the description multiple times and is constantly stopped? A huge % of the population fits some kind of description. What about the “experienced officers” who “can just tell,” and because of this are so convinced they’re right that they fuck with someone before searching them?.. because you know, they’re experienced, and they got that “cop instinct.” Then there’s the whole “furtive movement” issue. What if someone’s furtive movements are so because they’re walking late at night in a suspect area, and just want to get where they’re going? There are more who “move furtively” due to self preservation than there are who are criminals and are looking out for the police.

It must be easy to write off shitty police officers if you’ve never been hassled by shitty police officers before

In regards to your claim about “fitting the description” I have a question for you. if your mother or sister were robbed a gunpoint by a black male wearing dark blue jeans, white t-shirt and black/red jordan sneakers, would you oppose every police officer in the confines of the precinct stopping, questioning and possibly frisking individuals who match the description of the perp who commited the robbery?