Stop trolling dude. ST/HDR is a lot deeper than that, and a lot deeper than 4 could ever hope to be. You need more than just BnB combos, you need reversal throws, reversal attacks, reflexes like lightning, matchup knowledge, option selects, footsies, zoning and some luck too in order to survive the 2-mistakes = KO harshness of ST/HDR.
And 4 is much easier than other fighting games like Tekken or KOF, even SFEX is much deeper than 4. The character tests in 4 are a joke. SRK FADC? I got it on the 1st try, no lie. If you want an example of something difficult, try SFEX’s training test and try to do Guile’s 3 Super attack test (Somersault Super into Opening Gambit Super into Somersault Super, took me months to get it) 1 frame links? Not very easy, but not very difficult either. I learned that from FGs like ST (Fei’s CW, Fierce is a 1 frame link).
Seeing a special once-a-year event is different from driving there on a regular basis. My area, Central Valley, is barren of competition. Not all of us are fortunate enough to live near a good scene, and I don’t believe that a condescending, elitist point of view helps in the matter. To say that I lack commitment, when I do not have the same resources that allows me the luxury of such a commute on a regular basis for the game. Love it, but it don’t pay the bills and I prioritize as such.
I know nothing of the area so this is a true question, but is there a bus system in the general area?
Technically the arcade near me is an hour away, I’d drive if my car wasn’t older than me, but I can drive a little and then take a bus. Just wondering.
So you think the tests in 4 are difficult too? I was responding to the other poster who said that 4 is not easy. When compared to the trials of other FGs, like SFEX, yeah 4 is friggin easy as pie.
Reversal attacks in 4 are much easier to execute than in ST/HDR, so much easier that you don’t even need pianoing. HDR meanwhile still requires a 1 frame window to execute reversal attacks. Footsies in 4 come down to spamming cr Jab, fishing for an auto combo, due to Special Attacks having almost no priority and the combination of low damage and free ultras causes everybody to turtle up and not take risks. Zoning is non-existant thanks to Focus Attacks, where in HDR zoning can make or break a match. And I don’t base any of my comments on playing randoms. I base it on having watched high level SF4 vids.
SF4 lovers need to stop posting in the HDR forums. You don’t see me posting in the 4 forums that HDR is way more deep than 4 and that 4 is too easy. If SF4 fans are gonna get butt-hurt then they need to stop posting in these forums. 'Nuff said.
Maybe you should stop talking about a game you don’t play?
Mashing jabs works for like maybe 2 characters.
Dunno what high level vids you are watching, but I don’t see that. I see ryu’s playing like its ST, rush down characters poking and rushing, and guiles spamming sonic boom like its going out of style.
I think the trials are hard because I don’t have good execution. However, most of the trials end up being either a waste of meter, or using unnecessary links.
Relativism in this context is not er, relevant. If a drive of several hours is too difficult for him, the fact that you have no events in your country doesn’t make his drive any easier.
Let’s backtrack here. I never mentioned anything specific to you about attending a regular gathering. When I originally messaged you (after you played a set against my bro) I invited you to come out to NCR. You said that you didn’t feel your game was ready. That’s fine. Then I suggested you should at least come out for casuals. You never replied back.
…fastforward that to the line of there is no one in my area that knows how to play.
Being that I personally know players in the Bay that are busting their balls trying to provide opportunities for guys like you to play, I did take offense at that remark. Especially considering the fact that you don’t come out (if you have in the past, then please correct me and I will gladly apologize) nor do I see you posting in the Pac North thread. And to have the gall to say that no one in my area knows how to play? I get it that you are 2 hours away. I drive an hour & a half for the ranbats down here and will drive to the Bay if need be. There are barely a handful of players in the Inland Empire, thus I make the drive I have to. If you don’t have means of transportation, simply say so. Better to just be honest and say that, rather than to put down the Bay & it efforts down like that. Had you just simply said that, I wouldn’t have called your commitment into question. I have nothing personal against you and I’m not trying to railroad you or anything like that. If circumstances prevent you from being able to attend a tourney once year, no biggie, I can respect that. Just don’t knock the scene that is actively trying their best to provide an environment & atmosphere for you to play, should your circumstances ever change.
And for what it’s worth, “those” guys actually do help each other out by offering rides and such.
I think you are reading too deeply into things for the sake of trying to have something to argue about. I said, “All the people I can beat with ease on HDR”, not , “All the people I can beat with ease on my friends list”.
By that I mean the bit of a community there was online. People you would see around that for whatever reason I did not friend them, or they didn’t friend me (maybe I was a bit tough for them or they didn’t like tick throws?). Basically just guys you run in to on a semi regular basis that never made it to my friends list. Also quite a few guys who are/were friends of friends.
But excuse me for not wording that sentence in a way that would cover every possible angle. I didn’t think someone would be on my case looking for something the least bit open to interpretation.
Also Vintage, elitist? I wasn’t getting that. What I was getting was someone who is clearly passionate about the game, willing to drive long distance and give up time to support what is left of the scene. And I damn well appreciate that. If you can’t support the local scene because it’s not practical, then support the online scene for when you do decide to go to these once a year events.
It’s no good saying, “Oh I can’t get a game within 2 minutes I may as well play SFIV”. What do you think happens if everyone thinks the same way? That’s right, everyone moves to SFIV and it leaves no lobbies in HDR.
I agree with this statement. However, there are those on this site that would disagree, and perhaps even go so far as to feel disappointment at those who support SSF4.
A theory I have is that SF4 took away capable HDR players and potential newcomers to the fighting game scene from a HDR scene that is struggling to stay alive. It also more popular than HDR at the moment. I don’t know the numbers, but I think it’s safe to say that SSF4 also attracts more entrants to tourneys than HDR has since it came out. Just look at the amount of coverage SSF4 gets at major tourneys vs HDR. If HDR gets even an hour’s worth of coverage, it considers itself lucky. A scene needs top players and people who are inspired by those top players to stay alive, and SSF4 has usurped that from HDR. So when you play SSF4, to them, its like you’re using that time to play a game that isn’t HDR. I think there is a growing concern that HDR is going to be a dead game due to SSF4 (and perhaps even MVC3 when it comes out), and so people get rather sensitive about a game that is more popular than HDR ever was taking away what few players play it (relative to SSF4 of course… obviously there are dedicated players still playing this game… and you can still find plenty of people to play with on XBL … I assume … I haven’t had much time to play lately :lol:)
But yea, if my theory is right, playing SSF4 is almost like giving the finger to the so called “traditional” street fighter II series, and there are many passionate people who would find that, if not SSF4 rather blasphemous.
Vintage: The area I’m speaking about is Central Valley. The game is nearly nonexistent here, however, there are SFIV local tourneys and fighters to keep me busy. I am not stating that all of California has no game or skills. I know the Bay Area has game, and I am thankful to them supporting the HDR scene and keeping it alive.
I have no clue how I could have offended the bay, and if it came across that way, I apologize for that. I’ve got nothing but respect for you as a hardcore HDR player and an incredible Ryu.
ZERO K1: I’ve got respect for Vintage as an old school player, but current monetary restrictions prohibit me from going to the Bay area on a regular basis. As for waiting time in a lobby, you can’t just wait around 5 minutes or so for a match, and then when a match presents itself, it is someone scrubby at best. The lack of new blood means that my Vega (Claw) has reached his plateau, and it is time to move on. I also share my TV with the family, and can’t wait long seeing that relatives would like to use the set LOL. With SFIV, I can get 3 / 4 matches in the time someone finally steps into the lobby for an HDR fight. I enjoyed HDR as much as I could while and will remember it fondly as the true old school Street Fighter.
Warrior’s Dreams: I agree with you, it is possible to like both, they are just different flavors with their own unique taste and identity. Are either HDR or SFIV perfect? Nope, there is no such thing as perfection. However, I luv em just the way they are.
It seems to me that a games popularity is dependent on how many newer releases there are. SFII World Warrior is no longer played because of the staggering amount of new updates to Street Fighter. It is inevitable that newer games will eventually eclipse older games, it is just a matter of when. There will always be some hardcore fans to each game, but that pool decreases in time as newer releases appear.
Coth X: It looks like it is a bit more of a difference than just two brands of cola. It looks more like choosing between chess and checkers. There may be some slight similarities (kill the pieces) but different rules (different kinds of units, etc.) so each player will swear by their own game, but there are some that like to play both.
The trials in IV and SSIV can be really tough, I’ve never known anyone who found them easy. In fact, I bought a stick just so I could do all the trials (aiming to get 1000GP in both games).
my main beef has more 2 do with knowing they’ll never fix hdr than losing the community. after mw2 n ssf4 came out, i see a lot less akumas now. i think hdr will always have enough of a hardcore following 4 me 2 continue enjoying the game. just wish they’d fix a few things. hawk needs frames added 2 360, sim needs teleport fix, quick match shouldn’t random ST n remix, n create akuma_less room option.
As for Coke vs Pepsi, I think a more accurate analogy would be Coke vs Lemon Juice. Coke vs Pepsi to me is kind of like ST vs HDR. Hmm, I wonder if Coke fans troll Pepsi fans?
That’s cool man, I see where you are coming from with your opinion. My opinion however is that I prefer quality over quantity Of course it doesn’t suit everyone.
Yeah it’ a shame about lack of competiton. I keep wondering if it’s worth entering SVB at all. I know roughly who my competition is Xbox live wise, but I have no idea of the PSN players or how beastly they may be. Hmm… If I can get an Xbox like pad for the PS3, I might give PSN a go.
A great thing has happened though. I’ve seen a few people on my friends list coming back to HDR. A couple of guys that pretty much dropped HDR for SFIV have now come back and are putting in the hours.
Of course it doesn’t suit everyone.