Go to tournaments and only use Viper’s normals? See how far footsies get you with the world’s slowest sweep.
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I think Viper players know that BK is ambiguous and she does high damage/stun. I think those are probably the 3 most obvious things when you look at the character. She’s lacking in other areas though.
My metric for measuring character quality is biased obviously because I’m going from who I play, and my character does fairly well vs. Viper, but overall my character loses to good characters, so I can’t really see Viper as being in that upper echelon.
I mean who loses to Blanka?
You can do a lot of fun stuff in between his sweep. Too bad crumpling him is 1 frame.
The actual startup of guile’s sweep is actually decent though, and it can be used as a punish tool.
T. Hawk?
yeah…i use sakura, so hearing complaints about how character x must be broken because the match-up is tough is just funny. i mean, if viper was s-rank and was universally broken in relation to the entire cast, then i’d undestand, but it’s an akuma (with a teleport!) complaining about pressure after wake-up, amongst other things.
no dis though, wongkey, you’re frustrated, and i feel that. just don’t go calling a design broken when it’s not.
I meant it in a “what kind of character loses to Blanka? Blanka sucks.” sort of way.
I just wish AE would come out for consoles so we could start doing some solid theory fighting and lab work. I’m tired of so much conjecture.
Labwork is boring.
And chasing each other around in circles without solid info isn’t? 
I’ve been reading and reading and am tired but I wanted to say that I agree with the woodenteeth guy about Viper’s burn keep being too similar to a glitch or bad design. I think the actual problem is the flame animation - not necessarily the hitbox although it could be both. The flame hides her legs making it nearly impossible to figure out what’s going on.
Was a joke, check my signature. Actually looking forward to testing new stuff.
I wish someone with the mook would put all the frame data up already though, I wouldn’t even have to test stuff if I just had that atm.
when you have idiots linking ryu mirror matches and calling it real street fighter and viper mirror matches are genre killing, you know theres some shoto bias.
and good, he deserved that damn nerf in sf4.
viper burn kicks arent really that ambiguous. sj forward mk and hk burn kicks will always crossup. the question is when will it crossup? she can do a late or early sj burn kick and depending how fast or late you switch positions to block, you’ll eat it.
considering it does less damage than most characters hard attacks, having shit stamina, crouchable by a chunk of the cast and you can focus and quick recover against it, the risk/rewards arent really in your favor in the long run.
everyone gets blown up by viper and especially her burn kicks the first time they fight her. once people figure out how not to get owned by burn kicks for free, shes much more beatable.
Last time I checked Guile (yeah, I still got some downback game) still hates Blanka with a passion, but thats been that way since the DAWN OF TIME (SFII). Other then that, yeah, Blanka has it pretty rough…
theory fighting is far from solid, it goes strictly by the numbers and throws away execution, timing and skill…it’s either that or you have to assume everyone has perfect skill and execution. in a theory fight, everyone has the skills, precision and timing of a world-class player, throwing away the human factors and mind games that make the game what it is
Well perhaps I phrased it wrong. Either way, I’d like some solid data to work with.
This matchup is pretty even, Guile’s tools do a good job of keeping Blanka out.
I think Blanka has a slight edge simply because unblockable setup[os to unblockable setup], into 250 damage is hard for Guile to deal with. He basically loses the match if he gets backthrown once. Because if he doesn’t guess correctly he’s going to get stunned on the next offensive sequence if he doesn’t keep up his blocking for a long while, then post stun he’s being unblockabled again.
I suggested playing a few games with one of my friends, who has one of the best footsies with Ryu, that we’d use no special moves with Viper, and play a solid footsies only game.
We both got super frustrated after 2 games and went back to Viper v Ryu.
Viper has no normals.
Blanka unblockable? Boy, what are you speakin?
Hit up the Blanka sub-forum. Ves has been putting in some work.
Exactly I’m just venting. I never called her broken nor did I say she was S-tier. Like I said I’m just stating the obvious like Veserius is saying.
@Ouroborus: To me it’s not the damage that Bk does but the knockdown and the follow up that’s scary to me. Same thing with Akuma’s sweep does shitty damage/stun. And yes ryu did deserve some nerf’s, but that’s a different story.